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by DoDo on Mon Nov 26th, 2007 at 03:06:07 PM EST
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Well, I can't even get it open.  Translate it?  ha.  

Wait!  "Budapest." "East Bloc." DoDo, you've had me convinced for the last year that Hungary is Central Europe... I'm so confused...

As for the young pioneers running railroads...  I cannot decide if it is a charming fairytale, the stuff of dreams, or a horrific violation of child labor rights.  All of the above, probably.  Looks like the communists were in league with my mother - forcing children to do cute but disturbing things to promote social morale and productivity while simultaneously stripping them of their dignity...   Maybe my mother was a communist?  Would explain so much...

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Mon Nov 26th, 2007 at 03:19:16 PM EST
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Strange, maybe NSA filters it out? ;-) I just tried the link I posted and the page still loads, and that fast despite loads of photos.

'East Bloc' included the Asian parts of the Soviet Union, so it has little to do with position on continents...

Work on pioneer/childrens' railways isn't forced, and they don't act for parents but 'play' for themselves ;-) Think of a life-size model railway. (I missed out of this myself. But a colleague brought along his teenage daughter, who was there a few years ago and regularly comes back to visit -- depot staff knew her by name --, and who knew better how to handle 50-year-old Siemens-Halske switching/signalling equipment than anyone else present.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Nov 26th, 2007 at 03:30:24 PM EST
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  1. I don't think there is any filtering going on (not here).  Might just be too much to load?  

  2. Was preying on your geographical sensitivity.

  3. From what I understand, being a young pioneer was not absolutely mandatory, but an assumed requirement if you wanted to get ahead in life.  Well, I don't doubt there were benefits to it, or that the railway and other pioneer projects were probably mostly harmless & provided kids with skills, discipline, etc.  But patriotic youth movements always freak me out.  Even our own Boy/Girl Scouts in the US.  You know, I was in that.  Again, totally voluntary, but every self-respecting little girl in my town wanted to be a "brownie" (our version of the pioneers).  

Still, I'm not sure I can convey to you the basic sense of weirdness a railway run by communist children evokes to my, ahem, Western mind.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Mon Nov 26th, 2007 at 03:46:01 PM EST
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  1. To put it another way, my geographical sensitivity is Westerners' equation East Bloc = Eastern Europe. Thinking about it, BTW, 'East Bloc' or similar was almost never used in local languages -- '[countries of the] Warshaw Pact', 'Socialist Camp' was in use not just in official propaganda.

  2. Oh, about being pioneer, I agree. It was practically obligatory, it was meant as ideological drilling, it was a hoot, and I hated that kind of uniform even without any political association. But the pioneer railways (and today the heir children's railways, not pioneer anymore!) were choice, and a choice of a few.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Nov 26th, 2007 at 04:17:48 PM EST
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  1.  I know I am totally derailing ... hahaha ... your diary, but can you at least acknowledge that there is stigma attached to being labeled Eastern?  We can differentiate between East Bloc and Eastern Europe, but both entities were/are defined in oppostition to the (civilized, modern, humane, rational, etc.) West.  Meaning the not ever Communist part of Europe plus North America.  FWIW, I don't remember the term "East Bloc" being used here much either, in my lifetime, but when it was, you can bet people were not talking about Asia, whatever the official definition was.  

  2.  It's kids!  Running the trains!  It's mad!  ;)


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Mon Nov 26th, 2007 at 04:28:03 PM EST
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Eastern Block not being used, hmm, my Granny called it SBZ, while I was studiying in Leipzig after the reunification.

SBZ Sowjetisch besetzte Zone. Soviet occupied zone. The name the GDR had, before it became GDR in 1949.

And on another note, while it was not necessarily compulsory to be a member of the Young Pioneers in the GDR, it entirely depend on local circumstances and it also changed fundamentally over time. Until 1954/55 a parallel education of Christian and Atheist youth indoctrination (aehem) took place. After that it was made "compulsory".

This gives a reasonable summary (in Engish)

Actually not reasonable, no, very good, (It quotes one of my favourite Professors....)

by PeWi on Tue Nov 27th, 2007 at 08:55:59 AM EST
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SBZ Sowjetisch besetzte Zone. Soviet occupied zone. The name the GDR had

Including the Soviet Union itself?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Nov 27th, 2007 at 09:02:29 AM EST
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As you know Germany was divided in four parts after 1945?

and those Zones were called ABZ, BBZ, FBZ and SBZ.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besatzungszone

When the German states became 'independant states' in 1949 those names were 'officially' dropped, but not by some people...

by PeWi on Tue Nov 27th, 2007 at 11:48:41 AM EST
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I do know those occupation zones, as well as Bizonia and Trizonia, but the question is, did your Granny also apply the term SBZ for all Warshaw Pact countries collectively (e.g. as another synonym for Eastern Block = Ostblock)?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Nov 27th, 2007 at 02:17:30 PM EST
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Frankly I was confused about your question. And am glad that of course you knew the term, hope I did not cause offense.

And no, she only applied it to the GDR - interesting thought though.

by PeWi on Tue Nov 27th, 2007 at 08:01:19 PM EST
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1) Can you load the (devoid of photos) main page?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Nov 26th, 2007 at 04:19:31 PM EST
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Nyet.  "Cannot find server or DNS Error."  Should note: everything is now running sluggishly for me..

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Mon Nov 26th, 2007 at 04:29:30 PM EST
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It's a shame. But maybe no such problems with this other site in English.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Nov 27th, 2007 at 07:03:44 AM EST
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I can't load it either... I'm ahem... feeling conspirationist tonight.

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by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Mon Nov 26th, 2007 at 09:12:49 PM EST
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Must be some really strange DNS error. I still do see the page, but whichever IP lookup service I try, it gives 217.16.29.51, which doesn't load. And if I try tracert or ping mojd.by.ru, those try to track the above IP too (and fail). Anyone around with ideas?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Nov 27th, 2007 at 06:44:17 AM EST
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