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Got the quote for fitting out my flat to basic W european standard. And it's basically a rip-off. Some of the charges he's put in I'd expect from a British bloke. Nearly 400 euros for paint in a flat for instance.

not all of the charges are rip-offs, but too many are to make me want to accept. Yet, I leave in a couple of days; if I don't accept this, I can't talk to another guy for 10 weeks. the total charge is just shy of 10,000 euros. I think the total should be closer to 6000. Even my translator told me after she was embarrassed by the prices.

the problems are that
i) this guy seems well connected at the apartment building. If I get in another contractor, I could have "difficulties".

ii) I think the delay of 10 weeks will also be problematic, time being money in this transaction. So do I accept this 3000 euro overcharge as the fee for doing business at 2500 km distance and swallow it on the basis that I can pass the extra on later ? Or do I stand on the principle that I won't be cheated and face probable retribution later ?

And that column middle command is up again. nuisance

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 29th, 2007 at 01:22:05 PM EST
i) this guy seems well connected at the apartment building. If I get in another contractor, I could have "difficulties".

But if you don't, you could maybe have some connections down the line who might be able to "solve" any future "problems" you have in town? LOL.

I've heard so many stories like this.  You must have seen this coming.  Seems that in general, there is no choice but to cave...  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Nov 29th, 2007 at 01:28:47 PM EST
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You should bargain, play incredulous and quote what you think are market prices, and tell him to not think of you as a stupid but rich Westerner who can be ripped off.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Nov 29th, 2007 at 01:41:32 PM EST
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...but he may also consider it not a ripoff but a wealth tax...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Nov 29th, 2007 at 01:43:22 PM EST
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a stupid but rich Westerner who can be ripped off.

...who has no clue about prices and thus can be ripped off.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Nov 29th, 2007 at 01:44:26 PM EST
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Maybe you should take this as a SOP for the country.  

Contractor comes in overbid, you make a counter offer, etc.

Maybe you come back with an offer at 7500 euros, and see if you can negotiate the price.

I think that the UK like the US is country where we're used to taking fixed prices instead of haggling.  The key thin with haggling being to make a counter offer that's not insulting.  Just my thoughts though.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Nov 29th, 2007 at 01:44:44 PM EST
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Oh my!  If it were Spain, I´d snark him out the window even if I agreed.  Then I would take him for a beer and give him a good old Spanish ranting in public.  I´d get a lot of ´yes, maam´ for that price difference...

Staged payments,
Retainage
Clean windows and
A free lunch

Even then, in Spain, I would have to accept the fact that work would not begin until I got back!

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Thu Nov 29th, 2007 at 02:02:19 PM EST
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