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How common is it in France and England for lower-wage people to have more than one job?  I know that here in the USA it's far more common than is good for one's health and family life, and I wonder if the second jobs are counted in such a way that one would think, looking at the statistics, that the percentage of employed persons is higher than it is, when one is actually looking at fewer employed people bearing a higher work load.  (Can you make any sense of my question?  I could try to rephrase it.)

Karen in Austin

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by Wife of Bath (bakerswife13@yahoo.com) on Fri Nov 30th, 2007 at 09:28:49 AM EST
It's a perfectly comprehensible question that I don't have the answer to at the moment. I know the US Bureau of Labor Statistics does numbers on second-job holders, and I expect I can find similar for the UK and France.

The numbers I work on are from the Labour Force Surveys (called, in America, the Current Population Survey) which are household surveys carried out on a large sample of the population. These count people, not jobs, (which the payroll statistics would do). So there shouldn't be a double count when one person holds two (or more) jobs.

The next part of this 3-part epic is about hourly rates of pay. I'll try to bring second jobs in there, since it seems like the right place.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 30th, 2007 at 09:43:24 AM EST
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As far as I know, this is taken care of in definitions, usually they count people who performed at least x hours of paid labour in the previous month, or something like it. If anything, I suspect a problem on the other side: people with very part-time jobs that do appear in the statistics as employed.

Both from your comment and the and the OP, it seems some part of America's higher employment rates is in jobs that are not particularly productive, nor really wanted very much by their participants.

On the other hand, all this data massaging still leaves France with real lower employment rates for young and old people. Especially the old part must include serious numbers of people willing and able to work who can't find it. That's a poblem no matter how you measure it.

by GreatZamfir on Fri Nov 30th, 2007 at 09:46:44 AM EST
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It's not a problem I'm trying to avoid. I say so clearly concerning the 55-plus group. Concerning the younger group, there's less employment because more (of the 16-19 group, especially) are in school. Meanwhile, as you say, short part-time (the rule is one hour only of paid work in the reference week) creates employment numbers and muddies the waters.

I object to the term "data massaging" however. I don't think I'm doing anything the "specialists" don't do all the time, knowing that they are creating headline statistics that will be used by different links in the info and media chain to reinforce a world view. One in which the "free market economies" have proved that their way is not only the best but inevitable.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 30th, 2007 at 10:27:17 AM EST
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