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I think we can both get very... adamant, at times.  

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Mon Nov 5th, 2007 at 06:01:13 PM EST
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DeAnder has some words on this below ;-)

I should take note also, though I have noticed my views evolving through reading all this stuff here - so there must be some flexibility still in play.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Nov 5th, 2007 at 06:12:52 PM EST
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I second that!

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2007 at 06:15:06 PM EST
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and I certainly agree with your main point. By the way - last statistic that I saw said 3.5 million homeless at present.

Howsomever - this current debacle is another counterclockwise circuit (northern hemisphere) around the toilet bowl. For reasons of overweening greed, new generations of greedies, and the neoliberal political imperative to maintain ideological ascendancy; the ruling class has to 'grow' their rewards, at the same time that they mask the failings of their system regarding the welfare of the lower class. (I lump everyone below the ruling class, even though, as you point out, the "middle class" generally gets their turn in the barrel last.) So - they keep these schemes coming along - new rubric, more seed money, big media campaign to hype the winners - to pull resources out of the latest failure and give them one more economic cycle from which they can pull their 'commission'. The problem is that, as in the toilet bowl, the speed of these cycles increases as we head for the drain. I think that, judging from the longevity of the Housing ATM cycle, we are approaching the point where the p-trap awaits.

Granted that you don't owe me, but what do you - you personally - do to alter the situation? Genuine question - no challenge implied.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2007 at 06:24:03 PM EST
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Was this question directed at me?

How do I personally alter the situation which is an outcome of an inherently unjust economic house of cards, I mean system?

Er, right now I'm just hanging out on the fringes of society, trying not to sucked into the game.  But I wouldn't rule out future participation in bloodless c o u p.  

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 02:31:16 PM EST
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but it was addressed to redstar. Glad to have your response, too.

The main points with me are always "what is the goal?", and "how do we get there?".

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 03:21:22 PM EST
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I didn't get that either, same as poemless.

As for what I do, I do what I can. I work with my values, which once got me a quick ticket to oblivion at one employer, who was looking for analytical cover to outsource a whole department of 60 workers to India that I refused to give, strategically enough that one of my superiors lost a shitload of face and I essentially lost my place there, though that department didn't. Have the letter I got from them, when I resigned, framed. That's ok, never did read the free subscriptions I got from working there anyhow.

I'm also politically active, have volunteered plenty, especially before kids, been caucus chair more often than not at my Democratic (DFL here) precinct, when I go there rather than elsewhere (did the Green thing back in the '90's, more in the back seat than the front). Give some of them money, too, when I can, though I'd say there are more worthy places to donate to, and I do that as well, as I make a decent living. Not that volunteering for the Democratic party or giving them money is worth shit, in honesty, worthless fucks that they are by and large.

We all do what we can, I have four kids being raised correctly, imho that's probably enough right there, given your average lefty has, what, 0.6 kids?

by redstar on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 03:34:18 PM EST
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Thanks to both for answers. Raising 4 chilluns correctly is a full-time, socially responsible job without doubt.

paul spencer
by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 04:59:35 PM EST
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