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america doesn't make anything anymore

World's #3 exporter. Sweet zombie jesus, can we please stop making this statement.

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by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 12:10:53 PM EST
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One question: what does the U.S. export nowadays? Corn, wheat, and apples; entertainment; software and computer chips; airplanes; logging and earthmoving equipment; weapons for sure. Other than that, I don't know.

The statement was hyperbole, but it doesn't feel like we make anything by comparison with the industrial pulse that I "enjoyed" in my career. Probably a good thing in many ways, including environmental impact; but there are several serious problems with our current industrial base: 1) the U.S. physical infrastructure is decrepit with no motivation to refurbish as a function of the production and the sales needs of a strong industrial base. 2) The vast quantity of imports (things that we do not make) means that the transportation costs - read fuel requirements - are enormous. 3) Productive activities often require and fund R&D - read innovation and discovery. 4) Real unemployment (not just the people receiving unemployment insurance) and poverty are substantially higher now due to decrease in domestic industries.

Of course, you are correct that we still make things in the U.S.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 01:12:53 PM EST
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We export a lot of high value items along with the agricultural products. The problem isn't the export dollar value, the problem is that the employment profile of the export industries won't support the middle class in the way it used to. That is absolutely a real problem, but that reality is masked by hyperbolic statements about how "the US no longer makes anything."

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 01:23:25 PM EST
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We've had the discussion any number of times as it fits into the "anglo disease" thread that has been going here for some time. Increasing productivity reduces the need for labor. The resulting gains are being funneled upwards rather than redistributed to all. We should all be working 20 hours a week, instead, roughly half of us are working too much, half are underemployed, and too much of the profit is going straight to the top.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 01:28:12 PM EST
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CIA - The World Factbook -- United States
agricultural products (soybeans, fruit, corn) 9.2%, industrial supplies (organic chemicals) 26.8%, capital goods (transistors, aircraft, motor vehicle parts, computers, telecommunications equipment) 49.0%, consumer goods (automobiles, medicines) 15.0% (2003)


We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 06:24:46 PM EST
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Good catch, I didn't notice that. Of course the US still exports by the ton. Per capita, not so much, but all the same, and high-value add stuff as well, especially of the intellectual property variety.

The mismatch of the remunerated labor inputs to the types of goods and services being exported you well describe below. Alas, it is hard to export a haircut or a home improvement or a tax advisement or a retirement planning service, the sorts of personal services to which the US economy has shifted as manufacturing jobs no longer provide enough to maintain a secure family environment for most non-union workers. And despite all the talk about Rule Americana in the financial services world. I mean   the Brits still got that angle mostly tied down (no pun intended). Considering size, the Americans are pikers by comparison.

All the while the balance of payments situation in the US remains quite precarious, the one thing really going for it is technology. Unfortunately, because the US is entering one of its many historical asshole phases,
even that could soon be a thing of the past, as US technology multinationals like Microsoft just work their way around one of America's occasional phases of xenophobia and mass security hysteria. Not a good sign for future exports of services which can efficiently be exported.

The rest of the world has taken notice as well, not just Microsoft,it would appear. So despite the great deals you can still get a short place ride from Heathrow or a very short car ride from Windsor, less and less are coming here to take advantage. That certainly doesn't help, either.

I fully agree it is not helpful to engage in hyperbolic statements about the us not making anything anymore. It's simply not true. In any event, it should suffice to say it doesn't make enough to support the predatory lifestyle it has accustomed itself to, which is really already something to bemoan.

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by redstar on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 02:26:07 PM EST
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The problem is that US exports are barely half of its imports.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 05:30:16 PM EST
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Bad news for China.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 06:02:49 PM EST
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Still, with the immense US domestic market, international trade is not as important to them as it is to us.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 06:07:49 PM EST
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Because the EU internal market is smaller than the US internal market?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 06:20:41 PM EST
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Damn, got me there.

I actually had never thought of it that way. But then us up north have been in the EU for only 12 years.

I guess that's what you get from hearing "remember you live in a tiny nation extremely dependent on exports" all your life.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 06:34:28 PM EST
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What fraction of Swedish exports are to the rest of the EU?

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 06:37:44 PM EST
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The biggest fraction, I'm sure.

The ranking should be something like this: Germany, UK, USA, Finland, Denmark, Norway.

Ok, it seems 75,3 % of exports go to Europe and 61,2 % go to the EU.

http://www.scb.se/templates/tableOrChart____142265.asp

The ranking is

  1. Germany 10,7 %
  2. Norway 9,1 %
  3. USA 7,9 %
  4. UK 7,3 %
  5. Denmark 7,3 %
  6. Finland 6,4 %
  7. Netherlands 5,1 %
  8. France 5,0 %
  9. Belgium 4,6 %
  10. Italy 3,2 %


Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 06:49:46 PM EST
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Export to the five most important export nations. Falling export to the US, stagnant export to the UK, and growing exports to everyone else.

Tyskland=Germany

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 06:58:24 PM EST
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Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 07:00:21 PM EST
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Why have exports to Italy and France started flattening in 2006-2007?  Do exports to these three countries -- U.K., Italy, France -- have something in common?

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by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 07:55:46 PM EST
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Ikea has saturated its market there ?

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Nov 6th, 2007 at 09:45:01 PM EST
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