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Wachovia does not look in particularly good shape.
Reuters|UPDATE 1-Wachovia, Capital One say credit conditions worsen

EW YORK, Nov 9 (Reuters) - The U.S. credit crisis deepened on Friday as Wachovia Corp reported a $1.1 billion loss on subprime mortgage-related debt in October, while Capital One Financial Corp said more customers are missing payments.

Shares of both companies fell, amid broad declines in financial stocks.

Wachovia (WB.N: Quote, Profile , Research), the fourth-largest U.S. bank said the value of so-called asset-backed collateralized debt obligations (CDOs) it holds fell to $676 million as of Oct. 31 from $1.8 billion on Sept. 30. The $1.1 billion pre-tax loss is in addition to $347 million in the third quarter, Wachovia said.

Charlotte, North Carolina-based Wachovia (WB.N: Quote, Profile , Research) also expects to boost loan losses by $500 million to $600 million this quarter, largely because of "dramatic declines" in housing values. Wachovia paid $24.2 billion last year for Golden West Financial Corp, a big California mortgage lender.

Wachovia joined a growing list of financial companies -- including Citigroup Inc (C.N: Quote, Profile , Research), Merrill Lynch & Co Inc (MER.N: Quote, Profile , Research) and Morgan Stanley (MS.N: Quote, Profile , Research) -- that have reported losses from worsening conditions in consumer credit and capital markets.



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by RogueTrooper on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 11:07:44 AM EST
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And that's bad, of course, but a little perspective: $1.1bn loss barely qualifies as a small drop in the bucket with the mess we have on our hands.

I should qualify that by saying, again, that I don't know what Wachovia's overall balance sheet looks like.  It may be in deep trouble, and it's certainly going to suffer some losses, but I highly doubt we're going to see anything on the level of the investment houses.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 11:48:43 AM EST
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I should qualify that by saying, again, that I don't know what Wachovia's overall balance sheet looks like

from the article...
Wachovia paid $24.2 billion last year for Golden West Financial Corp, a big California mortgage lender.

I would guess, after buying a California mortgage lender at the hight of the bubble suggests that their balance sheet might not be in the best of shape.

Money is a sign of Poverty - Culture Saying
by RogueTrooper on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 11:57:47 AM EST
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The other way to look at it is to note that they wrote off 2/3 of the value of their portfolio.

which suggests that other banks still have a long way to go to come clean...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 12:29:08 PM EST
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I should qualify that by saying, again, that I don't know what Wachovia's overall balance sheet looks like.  It may be in deep trouble, and it's certainly going to suffer some losses, but I highly doubt we're going to see anything on the level of the investment houses.

The capital underlying Wall Street, at the top, is not all that large - a matter of a few hundred billion. Given the piling of risk upon risk that has been engaged in over the last few years, and the size of the losses in the mortgage market alone that seem probable - my own estimate last spring of $980 billion looks increasingly likely to be somewhat below the final figure - it appears almost inevitable that in a bear market in which liquidity dries up and investors become skeptical, Wall Street's capital will be wiped out. Only the commercial banks like Wachovia and Bank of America whose investment banking ambitions have been largely thwarted and whose portfolios of Level 3 rubbish are correspondingly lower, are less likely to disappear.

Level 3 Storm about to hit Wall Street

But that article was published on November 3.  The news about Wachovia came out on the 9th.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 05:48:49 PM EST
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