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Helen, what makes you think tha the Serbs or their government want to join the EU - run by the UK, FR, GER - all three of which happily bombed the Serbian civilian infrastructure for 90 consecutive days, causing Eur 50 billion of damage in the process?
As a matter of fact the majority DO NOT WANT to be part of the EU and I can understand them.
by vladimir on Sun Dec 9th, 2007 at 05:14:44 AM EST
Yeah...you well may be right on this one.
As far as I know most of the Serbs wanted to join EU even after bombardment ( they hold Americans responsible for it mostly).But NOW after they are asked to happily give up on Kosovo (to start with) because for God sake "Albanians do not want to live in Serbia" (like this was ever important who wants to live where in political games )after Serbs in Bosnia (that does not want to live in Bosnia for that matter)  were forced to be a part of Bosnia and Herzegovina , well it may be very well true that most of Serbs do not want to join EU on these conditions.
On the other hand not being a part of the "family" why would they care for your expenses guys. Take it or leave it and make your own roads that will simply never be better because they are not shorter...simple as that.
As far as time consuming border control it was always there and it has to change. With new technology it may very well happen in some time.
by vbo on Sun Dec 9th, 2007 at 08:45:38 AM EST
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As a matter of fact the majority DO NOT WANT to be part of the EU

Matter of fact? Evidence?

Evidence to the contrary: Most Serbians Want to Join European Union: Angus Reid Global Monitor

A large portion of the Serbian population is in favour of their country becoming a member of the European Union (EU), according to a poll by the Strategic Marketing & Media Research Institute [a Serbian polling firm -DoDo]. 69.3 per cent of respondents support the EU accession, while 30.7 per cent oppose it.

...On Jul. 31, Tanja Miscevic, Serbian director of the EU Integration Office, commented on the results of this particular poll, saying, "Most people associate EU membership with better living standards, prosperity, and freedom of movement, (but) are insufficiently informed about the accession process and conditions for EU membership."



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sun Dec 9th, 2007 at 02:30:42 PM EST
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...or a similar result from May this year:

Despite Kosovo Intervention, Serbians Favor EU Membership

What does the Serbian public think about the EU? Despite that the EU has brokered the Ahtisaari Plan that would grant Kosovo a form of "supervised independence," 63% of Serbians living in Serbia say they have a "very positive" (24%) or "somewhat positive" (39%) opinion of the role the EU is playing in the Balkan region. A similar number, 62%, say they think Serbian membership in the EU would be a good thing. Just 9% feel it would be a bad thing.



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sun Dec 9th, 2007 at 02:35:07 PM EST
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Two factors explain the difference in our data: 1) the sources and 2) the date of the survey.
On B92, you have results of a recent survey which indicates that 60% of Serbs are in favour of closer integration with Russia (that evil, undemocratic, mafia ridden, single party rogue state) ;-)
In any case, the fact that a majority of Serbs want better living standards through the EU (or a partnership with Russia) in no way justifies bombing of civilian infrastructure (= war crimes by the Geneva Convention) without a UN mandate (= naked Hitlerian style agression against a sovereign state).
by vladimir on Mon Dec 10th, 2007 at 03:38:34 AM EST
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vdr:
data: 1) the sources and 2) the date of the survey
Do you have links?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 10th, 2007 at 07:25:27 AM EST
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Give me 24 hours & I'll post the links.
by vladimir on Mon Dec 10th, 2007 at 08:02:55 AM EST
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what makes you think tha the Serbs or their government want to join the EU ?

Nothing whatsoever. The diary was about the fact that Serbia is making the use the E75 through their country problematic and expensive, resulting in genuine difficulties for Greece, Bulgaria & Romania, as well as Turkey to trade with the rest of the EU.

I may well believe that it is in Serbia's longterm economic interest to resolve its problems with its neighbours amicably and to join with the EU, or at least achieve a favourable associate status. However, if that is not the view of Serbia's elites or its population, then who am I to argue ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Dec 10th, 2007 at 07:19:15 AM EST
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I think the EU underestimates, at its own peril, the bad blood that the bombing campaign on Serbia in 1999 has caused not only in Serbia, but also in Bulgaria and farther East all the way to Russia.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 10th, 2007 at 07:23:57 AM EST
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Share the E75 with Europe... yes
Resolve disputes amicably... yes
Trade with Europe... yes

Allow almost 20% of the country's national territory to be wrenched away - no
Accept 50 B Eur of bombing damages, and smile thankfully at the culprits - no
Accept 250 000 refugees from Croatia, while listening from certain EU members that the Serbs "deserved it" - no
Be forced into a Bosnian, muslim dominated union, against the letter of Dayton and Bosnia's current constitution - no

All these issues are linked.

by vladimir on Mon Dec 10th, 2007 at 08:14:35 AM EST
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As I said "However, if that is not the view of Serbia's elites or its population, then who am I to argue ? " It isn't what the diary was about.

Serbia will do what it wants, but they must accept that if you have behaved murderously towards a segment of the population then they may not wish to be associated with you. And may indeed create problems for those assciated with those murderous behaviours who remain close at hand. That's human nature and requires political solutions with larger people of greater vision than seem currently available on either side.

As is pointing fingers as if after a schoolyard fight and saying "it's all their fault". It may be human nature, but it's not helpful.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Dec 10th, 2007 at 10:15:28 AM EST
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I agree with you Helen. And that's precisely the reason why the Serbs want nothing to do with NATO and certain EU member states.
by vladimir on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 02:59:31 AM EST
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