Will Ireland Reject the EU Reform Treaty? | 41 comments (41 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Will Ireland Reject the EU Reform Treaty? (4.00 / 2)

I'm not even 100% sure that what's left of the treaty is worth passing - we'll have to work through the consolidated version at some stage. One is available here.

I'm beginning to lean towards the opinion that it makes more sense to read the reform treaty itself than a consolidated version if one wants to decide whether the reform is worth it.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2007 at 10:53:58 AM EST
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Re: Will Ireland Reject the EU Reform Treaty? (none / 1)

Did you try reading it?

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2007 at 05:36:13 PM EST
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Re: Will Ireland Reject the EU Reform Treaty? (4.00 / 2)

Some of it. It has to be read alongside the old version in order to make any sense, but at least that way you know what the reform treaty is changing. You may not like the result but you may agree it's better than the starting point.

Reading two consolidated versions side by side would also be a possibility.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2007 at 05:47:01 PM EST
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Re: Will Ireland Reject the EU Reform Treaty? (none / 1)

Two consolidated ones and the reform treaty - that consolidated version doesn't mark-up what was changed.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2007 at 05:55:52 PM EST
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Re: Will Ireland Reject the EU Reform Treaty? (4.00 / 2)

It would be fun to have a consolidated version written in track changes mode, I guess.

There's also a Spanish consolidated version, here.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2007 at 06:12:07 PM EST
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Re: Will Ireland Reject the EU Reform Treaty? (none / 1)

If you're all very good and I'm extremely bored I might write a diary on the text, but it doesn't sound like a lot of fun. I might see if I can dig out an Irish diplomat to give his unexpurgated view - privately.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Dec 19th, 2007 at 06:37:43 PM EST
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Re: Will Ireland Reject the EU Reform Treaty? (4.00 / 2)

That would be good (the diplomat part).

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2007 at 06:42:34 PM EST
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Re: Will Ireland Reject the EU Reform Treaty? (none / 1)

Well, a properly marked up consolidated version would be intelligible, relatively. The treaty by itself makes absolutely no sense I can see - I haven't looked at that consolidated version though.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2007 at 05:41:12 PM EST
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Mandatory Amato reference (4.00 / 2)

European Tribune - You mustn't understand - and further musings on the European project

The new EU reform treaty text was deliberately made unreadable for citizens to avoid calls for referendum, one of the central figures in the treaty drafting process has said.
Speaking at a meeting of the Centre for European Reform in London on Thursday (12 July) former Italian prime minister Giuliano Amato said: "They [EU leaders] decided that the document should be unreadable. If it is unreadable, it is not constitutional, that was the sort of perception".

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Dec 19th, 2007 at 11:07:08 PM EST
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i.e If you can understand the Treaty, we mustn't have written it clearly enough?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Dec 20th, 2007 at 05:04:59 AM EST
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