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this is becoming caricature like

don't we have anything more fulfilling to do than to spend Earth's valuable resources on much ado about nothing?

who on earth could benefit from these discussions?

admittedly not a strictly scientific approach, but after reading all the presumed or otherwise scientific stuff here I think little persuasive power is being generated to bring out the best in all of us

and this is precisely what I see as the responsibility of the intellectual elite, us. See GB Shaw: http://www2.bc.edu/~anderso/sr/gbs.html

for your information: the Planet is having a bad case of humanity and the cure might be a good sneeze

get a life

Emil

by emilmoller (emil@beyondthewalls.eu) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 04:16:47 PM EST
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the Planet is having a bad case of humanity and the cure might be a good sneeze

You seem to be hinting at the destruction or expulsion of a great number of humans. Is that correct? And because they don't fit with your notions of a higher plane of consciousness?

I suggest you're every bit a part of the snot as everyone else, emil. Pretentions to higher consciousness aside.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 25th, 2007 at 05:52:55 AM EST
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I sense a contradiction with the call to compassion in the top-level comment by emilmoller:
As stated before, the main issue is: are we as a species able to shift our center of consciousness up.
Become more compassionate, visionary, loving.
Unless this is a sort of old-testament prophet warning humanity of impending disaster unless the right spiritual path is taken.
If we continue using the intellect-sec, we will remain stuck in -ever partial- perspectives and not be able to shift up [note: I'm a PhD researching 'Decision making processes in a transition towards a sustainable energy regime'].

Consequence: involution, collapse. Alternative: abundant clean energy and other resources for all. And a platform to address other pressing issues.



We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 25th, 2007 at 08:27:18 AM EST
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how low can you go???

You overstudy every word to nitpick it to death, but you won´t even read a single link from emil.  Shame for what ET wants to represent because it´s a huge waste of education to resort to THIS, or to ´not understanding´.  Elitist puke.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Tue Dec 25th, 2007 at 11:12:45 AM EST
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How low can you go?

Emil has shown that under his talk of compassion and higher consciousness there is a reservoir of hatred for humanity.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 25th, 2007 at 11:43:33 AM EST
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Migeru, it's almost as if you find your words soothing. Making up for my obscenities.

All, as asked before: how many times should one / I repeat myself?

How much discipline re reading someone's postings, asking for clarifications, setting out from benefit of the doubt can be asked?

Why do all of the readers implicitly comply with Migeru's interpretation? These words would make quite a ripple irl in the social circles I live in.

Emil

by emilmoller (emil@beyondthewalls.eu) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 03:21:04 PM EST
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Higher upthread I wondered why emil was suggesting that those who didn't share his view, or awareness, or whatever it may be called (no snark), were causing suffering to the rest of the world.

No reply.

Now it's elimination of the lower orders of humanity that he's implying.

I'm not going to get emotional, but this is not elitist puke or other that I'm giving you, metavision. I have suffered enough in my life from religiously-minded people who always end up by:

  1. self-righteously projecting the world's suffering on the failings of others;

  2. comforting themselves with visions of the destruction of the un- (righteous, aware, conscious, whatever).

This is not a matter of "superior" people refusing to look into something that may be interesting, since (as we all agree) science doesn't know everything. This is emil, after many requests, refusing to explain what he means by a higher, or spiritual, domain, other than saying "there are tools, use them and you will see..."

If that's the best he can do, (on the positive side, because the negative is pointed out just above), then it's no good.

Sorry for the bold.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 25th, 2007 at 12:02:32 PM EST
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Is that an insult or a compliment?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 25th, 2007 at 02:17:23 PM EST
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It's not an Old Testament warning. Those stated there would be an exterior instance judging and punishing those that wouldn't have followed rules given by the judge/executioner.

It's an image arising from studying patterns of men thinking they're free, thinking science will deliver solutions or whatever. Perhaps I'm blind to the happy ending that awaits us on the horizon, but my best knowledge and intuitions tell be otherwise. Call me to an ethically dominated stance.

What does one do after reading contemporary media and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse:_How_Societies_Choose_to_Fail_or_Succeed
http://www.amazon.com/States-Denial-Knowing-Atrocities-Suffering/dp/0745623921
http://books.google.com/books?id=vP0dAAAAMAAJ&q=ISBN+0-8164-9358-8&dq=ISBN+0-8164-9358-8& ;ei=5wF0R4XwA4HGiQGQiuF2&pgis=1

Blog?

re 'unless the right spiritual path is taken': see my previous wonder re the suggestive tone implied here.

Emil

by emilmoller (emil@beyondthewalls.eu) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 02:51:50 PM EST
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re the 1st point: partly right; all sentient life forms will suffer, with the ones least able to adapt suffering most. Read: the poorest people. Re plants, animals, eco systyems I have no oversight to say anything sensible about their future suffering.

re the 2nd point: wrong. When you would have read my previous postings & links, you wouldn't have brought this up.
Redundantly (again): I'm not in the cursing business and your suggestion I am calls for a correction.

I claim no other status re being snot for myself, except that I am somewhat aware and try to do something about it.

Again: why this animosity, this not being curious re motives or the subject matter I try to convey, this focus on non-essentials?

Emil

by emilmoller (emil@beyondthewalls.eu) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 02:23:10 PM EST
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