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There are "Straussian" overtones here. Economists like to feel they delivered us from barbarism by creating a world that is not a "zero-sum game."

I could rant some more about that, but the key objection is that there seems to be a huge correlation between measures of improved wellbeing and energy usage, particularly fossil fuel exploitation.

That suggests that things weren't so much "zero-sum" as mostly a product of growth. If Wolf is admitting that, it's an interesting admission, although of course he wouldn't admit that "growth" is purely a matter of energy consumption, he'd try to make some claim that trade is the engine...

As for the future, the key is to rethink "productivity" which tends to be measured in terms of return on human or capital input. The future of "growth" is in "productivity" that is increasing output for static amounts of energy input. At least, that my utopian idea for the day.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 10:08:08 AM EST
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The future of "growth" is in "productivity" that is increasing output for static amounts of energy input. At least, that my utopian idea for the day.

Well, that's not a very novel idea.

Increasing output for the same or smaller energy use is the history of basic/process industry for the last 30 years.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 10:32:44 AM EST
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or the last 4000 years.  How did they build those pyramids?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:07:41 PM EST
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Theres good evidence that it was a social welfare scheme to keep people busy during the two  to three months a year when agricultural work was impossible. an early example of socialist work schemes to keep the population in food and loyal to the empire.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:29:48 PM EST
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I'm sure the guys at the wrong end of the whips appreciated it!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:37:22 PM EST
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Um, no. Actually not. If you look at most industrial processes, energy use for production has not deviated significantly in 10 years or so.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 01:01:21 PM EST
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... the Industrial Revolution that is positive sum, and much that is new. Its just that the positive sum part is not the new part. The revolution in trade from luxuries to staples that saw Egypt emerge as the granary for Roman cities was positive sum ... it was, indeed, positive sum in precisely the Ricardian comparative advantage sense.

After the cold spell that allowed the Bubonic plague to climb down from the upper Nile River Valley to the Mediterranean world, that reliance on rapid transport across the Med turned from a blessing into a curse ... and undermining Justinian the Great's reconquests of North Africa, Iberia and Italy (guess who recently read Justinian's Flea?) ...

... but then after the collapse of that system emerged the North Atlantic economy built on the heavy horse-drawn moldboard plough and the three-field system, and the growth that followed from that was positive sum growth as well.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 07:41:06 PM EST
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