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You here more to the West, do you remember when Schengen (or the Scandinavian customs union or BeNeLux regulations for that matter) 'hit' near you? Have you 'tried' to cross the border when new?

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 01:59:42 PM EST
I recall that when I was in then West Germany, we once traveled to Luxembourg, and what a feeling it was to see that the border was already open there. (Schengen was ratified in 1985 but fully implemented only in 1995.) My next experience was only a decade later, on a trip across Austria, Germany and France to Britain.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 02:04:34 PM EST
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where I grew up, the border was obvious - the Rhine, only a handful of bridges to cross it, but there were no controls already back in the 70s (and when I say no controls, I mean the border was often not even manned).

As a kid, I used to bike to Germany to go to the swimming pool (there was a nicer open-air swimming pool on the German side) and i was never ever controlled.

Locals would honk non locals that stopped at the border signs and wondered what they should do, given the absence of border guards...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 03:22:47 PM EST
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The French-Spanish border was practically completely open from, as I remember, after Franco kicked the bucket, and then almost disappeared with Schengen.

OTOH, Britain is of course not Schengen. The only time border police ever hassled me was going into Britain (Heathrow) from France, because my passport was out of date. This was perfectly legal, specifically allowed by law. And I was entering my own country. Just a plain-clothes cop swinging his weight. Gaaah.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 03:46:04 PM EST
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What you and Jérôme ex à Strasbourg wrote is interesting. Back at the end of the eighties and early nineties, the Austria-Germany, Netherlands-Germany and Austria-Italy borders were manned and people were controlled; though it went in much smoother fashion than at the now abolished borders.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 04:18:12 PM EST
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The France - Switzerland border has been essentially unmanned for quite some time, i.e. a decade and a half, except at a few larger crossings.

Three years ago I hiked the length of the Jura mountains ; crossing the border quite a few times, walking on its length too. We got checked only once, at the last border crossing, as we were along a large road.


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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 05:24:07 PM EST
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Ah, mountains, I never understood what those planning border controls thought about that. Or, for that matter, why human smugglers were wasting time and energy on getting across the busiest checkpoints and the flat fields nearby.

Only a few years after the change, I was at an excursion to a mountain on the border of Austria and Hungary. The Iron Curtain was gone, but still, this was the border where Fortress Europe was fending off the invasion of Eastern Hordes. Yet, masses of tourists from both sides were arriving to climb the observation tower, and no border guard was anywhere to be seen. I thought I could start a great business of human smuggling using the disguise of tourist groups...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 05:41:22 PM EST
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(but note that this was only on major crossing points) was that they always were present, and very often controlled you, ie asked to see id/passport and would occasionally interrogate you as to the purpose of your trip or even ask to open the boot.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 05:54:35 PM EST
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The Swiss-French border where I live is quite easy, provided you follow the proper border crossing protocol for entering Switzerland:
  1. Slow down as you approach the border
  2. The guards will not look at you, but they see you! Keep going slowly.
  3. Slow to a near stop, but do not actually stop (this annoys them a lot, I've seen them yelling at people for stopping)
  4. Wait for it... Wait for it...
  5. One of the guards will make a small gesture with one of his hands. This means 'go'.
  6. Go! Don't hesitate! Speed up just a little, cross the border, and then proceed at normal speed
Works like a charm. I've never been stopped. As I have smuggled a lot of meat across that border, this is a very good thing. (Meat is better, and cheaper, in France. Food in general, actually. The Swiss food stores are just not as inspiring as the French ones.)
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 06:09:12 PM EST
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on what license plate you have...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Dec 23rd, 2007 at 08:59:36 AM EST
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True. Better be a Geneva one. French green plates work as well. And I've heard they like the French 01 better than 74, for some strange reason.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Sun Dec 23rd, 2007 at 09:21:07 AM EST
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Nope, never crossed any 'new' border. But just the other day I was on a night train from Basel to Copenhagen and at the German-Danish border, at 06h30 or some suchlike ungodly hour the door was wrested open, and a demand for passports was issued. I, still partly asleep, and certainly not happy about having been so brutally awakened, crankely barked back: "Don't we have some treaty about this? Maybe an EU directive as well, prohibiting the waking of sleeping passengers before dawn? What is this? A fascist state? Papers, please? At this hour?" The passport guy went away, identification documents unseen. I fell back asleep.

Maybe this Schengen thing is a bit of a joke? Or, at least not enough to prevent the undue hassling of sleeping folks? Maybe the border people just have to be reminded of the open borders thing from time to time? I have no idea what that was all about!

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 05:41:58 PM EST
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They obviously hadn't got the memo about you ...
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 05:45:10 PM EST
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Was there some, uhm, event in Denmark at the time? Say, the riots because of that youth house?

It's part of the Schengen treaty that border controls can be temporarily re-instated in case of some security-sensitive event, say a football match drawing hooligans or a big summit. (From what I heard, France made most use of this exception since 1995.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 05:48:38 PM EST
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Forgot the LOL!

Must have been a sight, that running-away border guard...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 05:49:51 PM EST
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When I recently took a sleeper train from Madrid to Paris, the French authorities had demanded to see all passports at the border [apparently the Schengen agreement allows for this on an occasional basis, with cause] so they came and collected them when we departed so they didn't have to wake us up at 2am.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 05:51:00 PM EST
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I must have crossed the border between Spain and Portugal a number of times while on vacation in Galicia with my parents when I was a child, but I have no recollection of border checks. Then again, I wasn't really paying attention.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 06:02:42 PM EST
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Have you seen the Wim Wenders film Lisbon Story? The form me inforgettable fast-tracked-road-movie intro includes the passing of such a Spanish-Portuguese border.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 06:07:27 PM EST
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No, I haven't.

The border I'm talking about is the last crossing of the Miño (Minho?) river before it empties on the sea.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 10:02:41 PM EST
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