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For me religion is something on the outside, it is a tribal phenomenon - something shared with others. It also is herachical - there is a pontifex, a bridgebuilder, somebody who tells you what "that" means, and says, and is.

Spiritual is inside, personal, no translators - it is more independent. You find your own "truth" instead of being told what that truth is. And most of all it leads to a increasing state of peace and being.

Ah, hope it makes sense, word are so limiting. :-)

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 03:24:57 PM EST
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The problem is that people seek spiritual leaders and you only need one person to be willing to exchange spiritual advice in exchange for social status and then it's all downhill from there.

Refer to Bob Altemeyer's writing about the Authoritarians (followers) and the Double Highs (gurus).

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 03:32:28 PM EST
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Well, poor grasp of language or no, you have exactly expressed the essense of it.

Spirituality is a wonderful impulse within humans, it is the same thing that creates inquisitiveness, quest,humility and wonder. It is the very best part of us

I dislike, no, hate is closer; I hate religion because, to me, it is an attempt to harness the individual's natural spirituality for base political purposes. From what I have read, the actual expressed philosophies of various prophets such as Jesus, Mohammed, buddha are wonderful paths to better personhood. But their codification into religions nd the necessary bundling of "explanations, rules and regulations on top has created entities that would repel the originators. You cannot argue with God, you cannot claim immorality in divine law. Yet it is man made abomination.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 08:32:17 AM EST
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brilliant

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 01:00:57 PM EST
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every word you say here is the stone truth.

thanks for saying it so well...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 01:39:01 PM EST
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