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What the fuck does my gender have to do with it?

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 04:40:31 PM EST
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That is an oxymoron

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 04:48:21 PM EST
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I was actually asking melo.  Quite a few male thinkers, poets etc. have suggested basically the same things, and long before I was born.  

I think there may be a misunderstanding.  I'm not arguing for the primacy of irrationalism here; just that it is inevitable and is best take for what it is and not something else.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 05:00:09 PM EST
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I think there may be a misunderstanding.

ya think?

 I'm not arguing for the primacy of irrationalism here

i didn't get that actually, more that you got the whole picture.

whatever...

you're not being aggressive here, are you?

that was friendly, affectionate cursing, right?

peace

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 05:20:56 PM EST
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maybe nothing, i'll never know...

hell, you might be a man pretending to be female!

and to reply in your vernacular, i don't really give a fuck...

you are a set of comments and diaries to me, no more, no less.

kinda like it like that to be honest...

anyroad, it's not the first time a woman's opinion has cut to the chase in a largely male conversation IME, so act all insulted if it gets you off.  

wouldn't be the first time...

where's yer beef?

ex...cuse... me....

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 05:14:30 PM EST
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Um, not the first time a man has thought it necessary to specifically point out that a woman managed to make a good point. So, if someone with a dick had posted what poemless did, would you have included a reference to his maleness in your reply? Why is the anatomical configuration of poemless of any sort of relevance to this discussion? What makes this conversation largely male? Or is it just a conversation in which most of the participants are male? What do you think is the effect of the maleness of the participants on the discussion, if any? Do you think 'a female point of view' exist, in other words. If so, why? If not, why emphasise the gender thing?
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 05:25:44 PM EST
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excellent questions...

So, if someone with a dick had posted what poemless did, would you have included a reference to his maleness in your reply?

no, i don't statistically associate male capacity with whole brain thinking.

it's nice to be surprised though...

Why is the anatomical configuration of poemless of any sort of relevance to this discussion?

well, i wouldn't call it central to the discussion, but i dug the 'femaleness' of the comment. just a perception, i wouldn't even call it anything as crystallised as an opinion.

ymmv... it's cracking me up how twisted a simple compliment can be taken, because of gender....wtf?

reminds me of a time i opened a car door for a girl, and she gave me the evil eye and hissed: 'don't you ever do that again'

hello....

What makes this conversation largely male?

dunno, dickbrains?

Or is it just a conversation in which most of the participants are male?

haven't a clue....who are you, not a woman certainly <snark>...

kidding aside, i seem to remember it coming out you were female, but it really is ok what ever gender -or mix of - you are, you're someone who leaves a good feeling in my heart when you comment, not emphatically male or female, sheesh...

that's what i like about the internet see, ideas get to fly without the baggage, or at least less of it.

i will self-edit more, if my comments are misconstrued, i usually let it flow pretty much, because most folks here seem above that.

should i feel bad i'd like more 'female' energy at ET?

maybe that's not PC, don't really know...

What do you think is the effect of the maleness of the participants on the discussion, if any?

wow, sounds like a dissertation assignment, are you an academic, by any chance?

it cuts to the core...

yes i do think some of the attitudes here reflect some of the more stereotypical forms of 'male' thinking, and it's correlated with the ratio.

note not necessarily caused by, as i've met (too) many women who can beat men at that game.

maybe i've floundered into a minefield, in a typically male way...

i think people are mostly really polite on this blog, far be it for me to spoil that, though sometimes i probably say things that are misunderstood, sorry about that, and thanks for the searching questions, i appreciate them, and indeed count on feedback to let me know where peoples' boundaries are. i have been somewhat intemperate sometimes, but i hope most old timers have realised by now i am pretty benign, troll wise...

Do you think 'a female point of view' exist, in other words.

i agree with jung that men have a female soul, or anima, and vice versa.

makes life so deliciously_enigmatic_, and makes us all teachers of both modes for each other.

but it sure ain't simple, lol...

If so, why?

ya got me!

trick question?

sometimes i think it would be ok if there was a rule  against revealing gender, if people are going to get sidetracked.

i'll try to avoid that mistake again!

waiter, please take back the pasta, it's too sexist!

peace, professor. i'll hand in my thesis shortly.

btw, i can and do take my own medicine.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 06:15:21 PM EST
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Well, if nothing, then why even bring it up?  It was a question, and not rhetorical.  

What is the correlation between my ovaries and my philosophy?  I could understand if this were an Odds&Ends and I was drooling over a shirtless Putin.  Then my gender might be fair game.  But this is a discussion about rationalism, reason, science, and the place metaphysics and nonsense have in the world.  It has, in the past, been taken as fact that women are implicitly irrational, emotional, and men are reasonable, practical.  I thought we'd gotten past that, that we could now have this discussion without gender become some determining factor in it.  And while it's flattering that you appreciate my ability to cut to the chase, I said nothing that, Walt Whitman, a man, didn't say before, and much more eloquently.

I suppose it wasn't very ladylike of me to say "fuck," huh?


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 05:44:39 PM EST
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I could understand if this were an Odds&Ends and I was drooling over a shirtless Putin. Then my gender might be fair game.

Why do you think your gender is the only one allowed to drool over Putin? Well, I don't, but I think of some (male) friends who might...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 05:57:09 PM EST
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Well, that's exactly why I chose the word, "might."  It might not.  I personally find something vaguely homo-erotic about the topless pics.  And I would be the very last person to discourage anyone from drooling over Putin, regardless of their gender.  

Yeah.  You have "a friend" who might.  Uh huh.  Ok, Melanchthon.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 06:07:41 PM EST
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  And I would be the very last person to discourage anyone from drooling over Putin,

lawd have mercy....

it's always about fucking putin with you, poemless...

this thread has me in tears...can you have an aneurism from laughing too much?

you're much funnier here than in odds and ends....

you guys...i swear

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 06:28:53 PM EST
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Yeah. You have "a friend" who might. Uh huh. Ok, Melanchthon.

Mind you, I never hide behind "a friend". Most of my best male friends are gay, but I'm  (in their view) desperately straight. Years ago, some of them hoped I would change my mind, but now it's too late.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 06:32:50 PM EST
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What is the correlation between my ovaries and my philosophy?

i am doing a readout on that from what you say here, but only because i know you're female. if i didn't maybe i'd think about it less...

i assume others do the same for all of us, maybe i err that way.

as for walt, you'd be hard put to find a better example of what i believe.

gay or not...lol

please take my next observation with a large pinch of salt...

maybe we're less (more?) macho in yurp, but i find women here, while also having issues americans tend not to have, tend to be less likely to falsely ascribe negative intentions to innocent comments.

maybe you're more on the feminist front line, dunno.

maybe that's just my experience, anecdotal at best.

maybe a reflection of my clueless lack of tact, maybe something about me provokes that in american women.

i was married to one for 15 years.

stupid to generalise i know, so please don't take it wrong, but if you can help me understand the link between my gonads and comments, i hope you'll feel equally free to let me know.

you are hilariously perceptive company and i missed you when you split last time.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 08:11:10 PM EST
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