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The Metaphysics of Quality (MoQ) is an intellectual ordering of experience; it is a way of organising our knowledge; it is a filing system for the contents of our mind.It's a model.
It postulates that the fundamental reality is Quality or value.We have chosen to call "that which exist" by these names
All things come from Quality, and it is Quality that draws all things into being from Quality. That which exist comes from that which exist, and it is that which exist which is existence.
All that exists is a form of Quality, and nothing exists without Quality. You could say that Quality is one of the names of God.Quality == Energy-space-time-narrative-myth-model??
The first distinction that is made in understanding Quality is a distinction between Dynamic Quality (DQ) and Static Quality (SQ). DQ cannot be named and cannot be described. It is the cutting edge of experience. It is pre-intellectual awareness. DQ does not fit into any intellectual system; it is the ragged edge at the border of all such systems. DQ is the driving force of evolution, the lure (or: telos) which all of existence pursues.DQ cannot be named, except we just did! It is that which is not, but which soon will be. When something comes into existence, before it exists, we postulate that it is already anticipated to be. This is that which is not, but soon will be. Further, all of existence strive to come into existence.

Why do we think that existence pursues something? And why would existence pursue coming into existence (becoming?)? I didn't think evolution had a driving force... More of a, stuff happened, the stuff most successful at surviving survived. Can DQ ever be anything other than something to which we refer retroactively, after which it already is SQ? In what sense is this concept of any use?

Sometimes, a DQ driven evolution creates an evolutionary leap. Something new comes into existence. For this new thing of value to be maintained in existence it must 'static latch'; that is, it must be able to generate a particular pattern of value which persists over time, either on a continuous basis or a continuously regenerated basis.Sometimes something new, something that never occured before happens. For this new thing to continue to exist, it must continue to exist. If it is just a temporary anomaly, it will cease to exist once it no longer exists.
These static latches form the known world. They are the stable forms of Quality.Things that exists and which continue to exist is what exist
Static Quality can be named. It can be classified and analysed. The principal classification of SQ is a division into four levels. These levels are discrete and do not overlap. Moreover, all that we presently know can be classified and described according to these four levels, except for DQ itself, which, to repeat, remains outside of all realms of classification.We can know stuff about the world. We can categorise it. We can name things and make models for how they work. The ones we have chosen use words like "Quality" and "Value", which are evocative, in an ambiguous kind of way. Then there is that which we cannot know and cannot name, which we will name DQ.
The four levels are: inorganic, organic, social and intellectual. (For the sake of simplicity the inorganic can be taken to include the quantum level, although perhaps this level could constitute its own 'zeroth' level).Here is our system. But maybe Quantum is 'too special' to fit? Should we make a special category for it??

Sorry for the put-down. But so far the "Metaphysics of Quality" seems mostly like a bunch of trivial statements, and some other ones that are just plain weird. All held together by evocative yet vague and ambiguous vocabulary. "That which exists exists". How could I disagree? Of what use is this model? How does it function? What do I do with it?

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 05:05:40 PM EST
Put that way, I find the Ancient Greeks more appealing.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 05:21:21 PM EST
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The best way of appreciating MoQ (or not) is to read Pirsig's two books. As opposed to someone's necessarily subjective account of it.

Sure it's a model: but IMHO it's a better model in the way it addresses Reality than the one that the Greeks came up with - ie the "Subject/Object" Metaphysics we take for granted.

What you can do with it, I suspect,(and if you are clever enough - which  I know I'm not!) is to completely reinvent virtually every field of academic study from the ground up.

Starting with Economics, which is is currently in the process of being irretrievably discredited by events, I suspect....

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 06:12:49 PM EST
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What you can do with it, I suspect,(and if you are clever enough - which  I know I'm not!) is to completely reinvent virtually every field of academic study from the ground up.

That presumes that such studies are underpinned by metaphysics rather than empirical reality. That may be true for economics, but it's a non-starter in science.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 05:24:10 AM EST
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Jake, everything is not just underpinned by Reality: it is Reality.

As J A Wheeler said: "Reality is defined by the questions you put to it". Metaphysics concerns these questions we ask of Reality.

And as for it being a non-starter in Science, I would have said Science is actually founded upon it. Why else use the word....."meta" physics?

As I understand it, it is the inadequacy of its metaphysical foundations that leads Science into difficulties of interpretation. eg the Copenhagen Interpretation.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 05:42:56 AM EST
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I would disagree with your last three statements. While it is tautologically true that we don't get answers to questions we don't ask, it sounds rather like hubris to presume that it is the questions we ask that shape the world.

As for science being founded on metaphysics, I would say that science is a method of investigation. It is neither more nor less founded on metaphysics than your conclusion that the sun will rise tomorrow.

Lastly, I do not see how the Copenhagen interpretation represents a failure of the metaphysics of science or an attempt to paper over its difficulties. The equations are what they are. The experimental data is what it is. The latter strongly supports the former. If you go beyond that, you venture into the realm of philosophy.

But the validity of the equations themselves are not in doubt just because there are different possible philosophical interpretations of them. Just as apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air pending the outcome of the philosophical discussions provoked by Newton's theories, entangled photons do not await the philosopher's permission before they carry out spooky action at a distance.

Because at the end of the day, engineering trumphs philosophy when it comes to being convincing.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 06:58:16 AM EST
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If you go beyond that, you venture into the realm of philosophy

Of course: metaphysics is a part of philosophy.

it sounds rather like hubris to presume that it is the questions we ask that shape the world

But that is exactly what happens, I think.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 07:45:49 AM EST
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Because at the end of the day, engineering trumphs philosophy when it comes to being convincing.

Well thats going to need some justifying, or at the very least some further explaination.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 07:59:10 AM EST
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If philosophy says that building a bridge across the Thames is impossible, and an engineer says it's possible, the engineer has the distinct advantage of being able to build the bridge and walk across the Thames without getting his shoes wet. That tends to be persuasive...

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 08:03:44 AM EST
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So engineering is more persuasive for a very limited class of problems, There is more to life than building bridges.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 08:09:41 AM EST
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