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I am tired of you calling me wrong-headed, taging my work as "quackry", though I am aware you do not know what I do. It is no use discussing with you, all you are looking for is how you can contradict what doesn't fit in to your box of reality.

I guess I will take a break from ET too, these discussions are just no fun anymore.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 04:58:43 AM EST
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Hey Fran.

That's a shame. Just when we've got them on the run.... ;-)

Jake is a Defender of the Faith, just the same as any other. Except his Faith is in "Science" and the "scientific method".

He is a priest in what Pirsig called the "Church of Reason".

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 05:11:18 AM EST
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Fran - I understand your frustration. I am sure you are a most forgiving person, but even saints can be tested ;-)

I've taken breaks too, and they are good for peace of mind. But I always return because I have such good friends here to share with.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 05:22:11 AM EST
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Say it aint so Fran!

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 05:54:32 AM EST
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I'm taking a break - I'm not leaving. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 06:09:31 AM EST
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depends how long the break is, If its too long then there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 06:12:58 AM EST
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That would sadden me. I can certainly understand why anyone would take a break from discussions of metaphysics - but I would hope that disagreements of philosophy would not result in fractured political communities.

Not so very long ago, people remarked on this blog that philosophical disagreements would be used (and have been used) to drive in wedges between natural allies. It would be a sad irony if we were to drive in such wedges ourselves.

In other words, please consider this an apology for any insinuations of 'quackery' or somesuch in your practice.

- Jake

Your representatives may not listen to you. But they do read your e-mail.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 06:38:11 AM EST
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Thanks, Jake!

And I do admit I am currently extra touchy - unfortunately I have been confronted over the last weeks, lets say with the shadow side of conventional medicine, and have been able to see some of the good stuff from the woo woo side. :-)

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 12:01:29 PM EST
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It is YOU who must stay to add value here, not the pseudo-science hammers, nor the other thread´s gnome gang!  (That was some spectacle for a new member welcome! Yikes!)  You are a higher-level gnome and some of us here know there is nobody blinder than those who refuse to see.  Some may actually evolve in a few decades. :O)

This disingenious, intellectual dishonesty/_ and exceptionalism are the ET equivalent of the eco-no-mist.  Self-locked into quadrant 17, level B, having an ´on-my-terms-only´, puerile tantrum and refusing to come out.  Newborn ´scientists´, as dangerous, authoritarian and myopic as newborn christians.  Yet, you meet them and they are pretty full people!  It´s an amazingly woowoo paradox, to use their terminology.

I will try to read below this and control myself, but if the ignorant and HURTFUL contempt continues, I´ll figure something else out.

Hope you give yourself credit and a good treat, then, come back soon.  

_Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena._

by metavision on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 11:29:35 AM EST
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You can't hear contempt in your own voice?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 11:37:20 AM EST
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To be perfectly frank (yeah, I'm sure you appreciate it...) I hear contempt in the voices of almost everyone in these threads.  I'll include myself in that, even though I did -and continue to- suggest everyone could be a bit more humble.  

I'm not entirely sure what has provoked it, or how much of it is a defensiveness-projection thing, but if we had a smug-o-meter handy right now, the needle would be off the charts.  At this point I've become too annoyed with everyone to care what their original stance was.  See, now I am being smug...  This diary is a smug-magnet.  I suggest everyone slowly back away from it.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 11:51:12 AM EST
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Yeah, I suggested that in the last thread, for all the good it did.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 11:55:44 AM EST
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Thanks for you support, metavision. But I have to say, I am in NO WAY

metavision:

a higher-level gnome

I do have quite a bit of weaknesses and shadows. And the other FP's are great people, and I really appreciate being in the same team with them. (okay, they might have some weaknesses too! At least I hope so.)

I would appreciate if we all could just take a deep breath, exhale and take a step back and start all over with each other. Let's stop this he did, she did - lets let it be.

Isn't Christmas supposed to be the time of love and forgiveness. Let's practice that! :-D

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 12:09:06 PM EST
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Talk about having a good "feel" for situations... Things had calmed down, apologies have been made, hurtful words have stopped, and you give us this?


the pseudo-science hammers


gnome gang


disingenious, intellectual dishonesty/_ and exceptionalism


Newborn ´scientists´, as dangerous, authoritarian and myopic as newborn christians

I'm just sorry you've been wasting so much time reading us.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 12:47:08 PM EST
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