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Please excuse me for voting for the Huckster, but statistically speaking, some of us are voting for the demise of the amurkan system, which can only come about through more chaos.  i'm sure there are regression programs which can filter out such anomaly, and where else would we find such algorithms but here.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 12:42:48 PM EST
Methinks America has already reached the fraying ends of that particular rope. I'm not sure the world can afford to wait for another faith-based moron in the WH. There's too much mess already.

Besdies which, we were willing to forgive one idiot vote (don't talk to me about hanging chads, it should never have been close), but not two (again, should never have been down to one state).

Do it a third time and there will be consequences.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 12:52:19 PM EST
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On the upside, it seems the Huckster is detested by pretty much everyone in the GOP except for the Evangelicals (who have a rather firm grip on the party, don't get me wrong, but they're not the only faction). If he actually were to make it out of the primaries and go on to win in the general, he would have to deal with an actual opposition party in congress: the Republicans.

Of course, it would take an ineptitude in campaigning of Democratic proportions for the Democrats to screw this one up. Oh wait...

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde

by NordicStorm on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 01:42:51 PM EST
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Please excuse me for voting for the Huckster, but statistically speaking, some of us are voting for the demise of the amurkan system, which can only come about through more chaos.

I would rather prevent a further slide into hell, thanks. Please tell me you're joking.

by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 02:01:35 PM EST
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With only a small part of my tongue in cheek, which part of the lesser of two evils should i vote for?   What i really vote for is the most powerful lobbying agency which listens to me.

Do i care if amurka must go through more hell?  (Yes i do)  But that doesn't stop the necessary hell.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 04:21:14 PM EST
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Why is hell necessary? Because things need to get Much worse before they can get better?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 04:31:18 PM EST
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Gawd... this place is crawling with born again armaggedon  awaiters looking for the Second Coming to fix all ills.  

Guys WE have to make the EU stronger, not some half twit huckabilly cowboy preacher....

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 04:38:57 PM EST
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Far as I can see there's only one vote for the huckster. That's hardly crawling.

Truth is I see an overwhelming endorsement of John Edwards as per votes cast so far. And it seems Et'ers, US & RotW, are fairly similar so far (I'll expect a full stats analysis from Mig in a couple of days ;-)) And different from kos.

Of course we are different websites, be interesting to see how booman does, and have a different culture, but it's worth knowing.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 04:46:57 PM EST
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Helen:
Far as I can see there's only one vote for the huckster. That's hardly crawling.

Sorry Helen - but this string of comments was started by
Crazy Horse:

Please excuse me for voting for the Huckster

and it is in that context I read them

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 04:51:09 PM EST
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And he gets the same as you : One vote.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 04:56:06 PM EST
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JakeS is the senior statistician here, but I'll give it a shot.

The point of the exercise was to see whether there are statistically significant differences between the US and RotW votes. The way the chips are falling and with 37 votes tallied, the only question one can answer is whether support for Edwards differs. This is because there are only 10 US votes. Come on, people, get out the vote!

The result of the vote so far is:




USRotWTotal
Edwards51823
Other5914
Total102737
Assuming no difference between US and RotW support for Edwards, the expected number of votes are

USRotW
Edwards6.216.8
Other3.810.2
The chi-square calculation is

USRotW
Edwards0.232.3
Other.38.141
The total is 3.1 with one degree of freedom, which is significant to 92% which is generally not considered enough. So, sorry, despite the outpouring of support for Edwards in the Rest of the World it cannot be said to be a significant difference.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 05:19:08 AM EST
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We are busy flaming each other on dkos.  I was going to vote for a rock star but Jagger is British.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 09:42:52 AM EST
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Bruce Springsteen?
by Gary J on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 01:47:08 PM EST
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Yeah, or John Fogarty, I guess-maybe levon Helm

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 09:34:37 PM EST
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The necessary hell doesn't have to be as bad as it would be if the Repubs keep the presidency. We're in for an eceonomically and environmentally tough time no matter who wins, but that doesn't mean we have to become a theocracy as well.
by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 09:50:10 PM EST
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(BTW, wasn't trying to steal kcurie's point about religious fanaticism, but I felt the need to point it out. I'd rather not see the US dissolve into state-mandated religious worship. The whole school prayer debate is bad enough; we don't need to be frogmarched into church as well.)
by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 10:14:14 PM EST
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ui actually I gree with you that a Huck president will be very good for the rest of the world int he short-medium term. The left-wing rise in Latin AMerica will increase, China, Russia and India will ebcome stronger. I do not hink Huck wille ver attack Iran and the economic center can easily move away fro tm the US.

On the other hand there is a possibility of extending this kind of predicament to otehr areas of the world as Africa, england or even some parts of Eastern europe regarding faith  and fighting back enlightnment. However, the stronger and better attacks in Europe (sp western Europe) come from economic religious people and not from god religious people.

And there is also something important, a Huck presdient will be a complete and utter disaster for the US in the short and medium term.. and you know what? I am afraid it would be awfull in the long term too because his discourse will become the new middle standard.. I do not expect any swing back after Huck on the religious crazy issue in the US...so Huck will bring closer a US where religious american fanatics use the nuclear bomb at will for religious (and not raw power) arguments.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 02:32:16 PM EST
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Upon the US achieving President Huck which amongst you Huck fans would be willing to host a mass-migration of US ET'ers?

A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run
by ATinNM on Wed Dec 26th, 2007 at 11:15:52 PM EST
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I've been wondering that, myself. :) CH, I'm not trying to do battle with you. Just please keep in mind that your method of reform could have more serious effects on people than you intend.

Wow. If a hypothetical vote generated this much discussion, what are the months right before the election going to be like.... <runs, hides>

by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 12:05:22 AM EST
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I can try to.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 04:36:07 AM EST
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Its something I'd probably want take you up on.  Nearly close enough to retirement that I'd sure look at it hard.  I don't actually think I could leave my two daughters and granddaughters here to face the sexist evil of which this would be the harbringer.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 09:37:34 PM EST
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Are you expecting the Republic of Gilead?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 12:54:58 PM EST
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Away from politics, I used to know a lot of US women in the bellydance community. They generally felt directly threatened by the situation as it was a year ago (when I dropped out). They know gilead is practically here in some states already. As for some of the repugs like Huck or Romney becoming pres.... sheesh, terror gets close for how they feel.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 06:48:28 PM EST
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Yeah, I'm here in California, so I'd be hoping for a "States Rights" right wing presidency.  Sometime I'll have to write up a diary about taking my daughter and her family on a move to Florida and the drive across the south that freaked her out pretty completely.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 07:42:11 PM EST
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Thank you.

A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run
by ATinNM on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 02:13:15 AM EST
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You will be received with open arms... but let's face it.. the only thing which seems good for the rest of the World and which are at least a possibility are an Edwards administration and a Huck administration...

and I still think a Huck administration ahs more chances than an edwards one.. sad.. but true.

get ready for the emigration. Barcelona is a lovely place :)

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 02:16:19 PM EST
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Barcelona?  That's in Sicily, right?  I don't think I can eat that much pasta for the rest of my life!  :-)

Seriously, I don't think Huckabee can win the GOP nomination, much less the Presidency.  But I've been wrong before.  In one way the man scares me.  As Drew wrote, a majority of people in the US are fed-up.  Yet, no one on the Left is doing anything.  Huck is projecting a mixture of down-home populism, Holy-Roller, anti-war, resentiment  that could, if the chips fall wrong, do well.

A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run

by ATinNM on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 02:22:16 AM EST
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We'll see. I think Huckabee will win in Iowa and then it should become really interesting.
For the record, my prediction of the primaries' outcome:
Giuliani/Huckabee vs. Clinton/Richardson

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 07:21:01 PM EST
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Salvation through self-mutilation.  And here I thought people in "Yurp" were above the churchie bullshit.

It's politics, not Opus Dei, Crazy Horse.

You may not like the "Amurkah" that emerges in place of this quasi-religious fantasy you seem to have come up with.

By the way, what is it about certain people -- mainly Europeans but also a few American expats -- in Europe that gives them this incessant need to make fun of the way (they apparently think) Americans talk?  It really is quite childish betrays just how shallow and petty the discussion of international politics has become for some people.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 07:54:01 AM EST
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Pot, meet kettle.
by Trond Ove on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 02:35:18 PM EST
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Ha.  Okay, probably true.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 06:13:41 PM EST
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