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I don't understand the purpose of this quote unless its to inform us that Russia has some good meteorologists, which is not in doubt.

Of course it's getting warmer in Russia.  The world is getting warmer. My point is that the Russians don't take this seriously.  I don't know what they're thinking, maybe that they will end up with a climate like Spain's.  What does concern me is that the world's 3rd biggest CO2 emitter could cut it's emissions by at least 40% (and save itself a lot of money in the process) but doesn't even care about the problem.

Even worse, Russia is planning on increasing it's coal-fired electricity from 25% to 40% of its total electricity output. See here. Why? So that it can export more natural gas, which is the fuel for many current Russian power plants. It's hard to imagine a more short-sighted economic policy.

"My True Religion Is Kindness" -- The Dalai Lama

by JohnnyRook (johnnyrook1@gmail.com) on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 02:03:44 PM EST
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Uh, I take comfort in the fact that they acknowledge that it is getting warmer?

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 02:18:32 PM EST
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Maybe they think it's a good thing that the tundra is turning to mud.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 02:22:19 PM EST
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Hm.  If they're burning coal to stay warm, and global warming will make it less cold, doesn't that mean that they will have to use less energy as  result of global warming?  ;o

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 02:26:37 PM EST
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James Hansen (and thousands of other American scientists) believe in global warming.  It doesn't mean that Bush and his flat-earth cronies do.  Look at what Putin says and, most importantly, what Putin and his government do if you want to know what they think about global warming (or civil liberties, or democracy, or the rule of law, etc.)

Besides, I didn't accuse him of denying global warming.  I accused him of not taking it seriously, which is a whole other question. Cheaper fur coats, indeed.  There's one worthy of Bush himself.

"My True Religion Is Kindness" -- The Dalai Lama

by JohnnyRook (johnnyrook1@gmail.com) on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 03:44:47 PM EST
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You're being defensive.  I posted an article from yesterday's Kommersant, basically say, yes, it is getting hotter, even in Russia, and you're upset about it.  It's really pretty common for people to post related content in the threads of diaries.  This is a non-issue.  

You're angry with Russia, with Putin for not doing more, or anything, about global warming.  So am I.  Get in line.  And yes, I am also mad at my own leaders.  My solution is not to simply bitch about it.  Like a lot of Kossaks, I've been busting my ass for 7 years trying to be part of the solution.  I'm not sure it's doing any good, but I find it preferable to just complaining and doing nothing.  So...  again, besides complaining about Putin's inaction re:the environment (and using it as an opportunity to add something about or civil liberties, or democracy, or the rule of law, and old-style Soviet party bosses and Empire fetish), what can we do about it?  Diplomatically we've burned our bridges and exhausted our leverage, just when Russia doesn't need us to pay the bills for them.  And rather than leading by example and creating a movement so strong that Russia's lack of cooperation could have real repercussions for that country, our own leaders are doing little to give Russia any motivation to be more environmentally responsible

Look, I try to remain optimistic and constructive about the situation.   Probably, like the US, Russia will have to see real tangible negative impacts of climate change and be swayed by financial incentive before they proceed to do anything about it.  Given their geography and economic situation, that could be a long time coming.  What to do in the mean time?  I don't know.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 04:10:42 PM EST
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There are (too) many in Russia who view Global Warming as opening opportunities for Russia; that Russia will be a winner.  As if there really is such a thing.

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by a siegel (siegeadATgmailIGNORETHISdotPLEASEcom) on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 10:36:05 PM EST
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My point is that the Russians don't take this seriously.  

Maybe if you lecture them loudly enough they will listen to you.

Or, did you have a better solution?

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 02:28:51 PM EST
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I've worked with Russians in Russia and the US for decades both in academia and business. I KNOW you achieve nothing by lecturing them.

My diary wasn't a lecture. It was meant as information for the readers of this blog and those at DailyKos.  Isn't it shocking to find out that Russia wastes as much energy as it exports?  The Russians should be encouraged to change, at times perhaps pressured, which in the right circumstances they do respond to. Am I lecturing when I write diaries about the corruption and stupidities of the Bush administration?  Would you be more upset if it were Germany or Portugal or Spain that was wasting energy on such a massive scale?

This isn't about politics, it's about saving the planet, and everyone, the Russians included is going to have to do their part.

"My True Religion Is Kindness" -- The Dalai Lama

by JohnnyRook (johnnyrook1@gmail.com) on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 03:28:34 PM EST
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Well, saving the planet is going to involve some politics, so I disagree a bit.  Everyone has to do their part; how do we convince them to do it?

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 03:38:58 PM EST
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I don't have the answer to that one, a few ideas, yes, but no definitive answer.  I keep asking myself the same question.  Of course we can all make the lifestyle changes that bring us into harmony with a sustainable future, but beyond that on a policy level, we in the US need to throw the buffoon in the White House out with as many of his partisans in Congress as well. Then we'll be able to cooperate with the Europeans and start working at bringing India and China on board.

We'll also need to develop low cost, energy efficient technologies to transfer to the Third World.  I see confronting global warming as an opportunity to correct many of the mistakes of the past and to rebuild the world in a more sustainable, kinder, and more just way. From my perspective it's not just a question of finding an alternative power source and then continue doing the same stupid things we've been doing.  We need to reorganize our priorities and our societies. There are other crises out there, fresh water and population being chief among them, that will still be there if we treat global warming simply as a question of energy independence.

"My True Religion Is Kindness" -- The Dalai Lama

by JohnnyRook (johnnyrook1@gmail.com) on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 03:57:40 PM EST
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"I've worked with Russians in Russia and the US for decades both in academia and business. I KNOW you achieve nothing by lecturing them."

Q. I wonder innocently, does lecturing the Westerners produce any results?


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by igor vincha (svjeronimatgmail.com) on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 04:18:59 PM EST
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Look, I wrote a piece about Russian inefficiency and waste.  It wasn't about anybody else.  I write about other country's bad policies, most often my own, but that's not what this was about.  If I critique Peru do I have to to critique Bolivia as well?

Just get over it.

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by JohnnyRook (johnnyrook1@gmail.com) on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 at 07:49:27 PM EST
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