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Sorry, but you miss the point entirely. At no point did Russia claim the North Pole as a sovereign territory, despite what the "authorities" like USA Today said. An issue at stake was an extension of the "exclusive economic zone", in full accordance with the Law of the Sea - that is, of course, if Lomonosov Ridge could be shown to extend Russian continental shelf.

An "opéra bouffe" is, in its entirety, a creation of the Western media. Russia was working at the moment on collection of the relevant information to be submitted to the relevant UN Committee. In this respect, it's very relevant what the Canada said regarding the Hans Island, which is a true dispute about sovereign territory, not an insinuated one.

And finally, even your amazingly authoritative information source - USA Today - mentioned that "Thick sea ice threatens to thwart the expedition" right at the beginning (2nd paragraph). I find it absolutely ridiculous then that you said "...North Pole, newly accessible as summer sea ice disappears...".

by Sargon on Sat Dec 29th, 2007 at 09:29:19 AM EST
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I think you're quibbling over words here.  I don't care whether Russia claims sovereign territory (How could it anyway? It's the ocean.) or an "exclusive economic zone" that covers half the Arctic seabed, it can't be achieved by planting a flag, which it was not necessary to do if the explorers were merely collecting data in support of Russia's claims in this area.

By the way, my personal opinion is that "exclusive economic zones" should never extend  more than 200 miles. Beyond that everything is international. Carving up the world's oceans into national fiefdoms is a recipe for ecological disaster.

You can be snide about USA today if you like, but I gave you two other sources as well, and if you spent 5 minutes on the Internet you could easily find 50 more reputable sources that say the same thing.

As to the Arctic sea ice, the conclusion of scientists at the latest meeting of the American Geophysical Union this month is that summer sea ice will probably be completely gone by 2012.

"My True Religion Is Kindness" -- The Dalai Lama

by JohnnyRook (johnnyrook1@gmail.com) on Sat Dec 29th, 2007 at 03:55:23 PM EST
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I'm sorry but I'm not nitpicking. It's a legal issue, exclusive economic zone could be expanded according to the international law, and what you or I are thinking on this point is irrelevant.

Regarding North Pole accessibility - it WAS heavily iced at the point in time when the submersion has occurred, and thus projections on what might happen by 2012 are completely irrelevant and cannot diminish the technical feat that has been accomplished.

Yes, I could spend 5 hours on the Internet and find the ultimate source of the words you've cited. It doesn't really matter if they were repeated in a cozillion other "sources" - it's nothing but a herd instinct in action.

by Sargon on Sat Dec 29th, 2007 at 05:39:01 PM EST
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We may just have to agree to disagree on some of these points, but I do want to clarify one thing.  I never intended to downplay the "technical feat" of what the Russian explorers achieved.  It was a brave and skillful operation.  As to ice, you must remember that the melting made it possible to perform this daring exploration.  Ten years earlier when the ice was much thicker no one could have done this.

"My True Religion Is Kindness" -- The Dalai Lama
by JohnnyRook (johnnyrook1@gmail.com) on Sat Dec 29th, 2007 at 08:25:30 PM EST
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I don't claim to be a specialist in a history of Soviet subs surfacing around the Pole, so I don't really know when it was possible and when not.
by Sargon on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 at 06:26:46 AM EST
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