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I truly believe that the empathy portion of the brain stem must be damaged or missing on conservatives.

Conservatives don't do empathy.

Conservatives don't do cause and effect.

Conservatives lack a stable and adult sense of morality.

While we had a (very quiet) go at autistic savants last week, I'll propose - again - that this kind of conservatism should be considered a form of mental illness, every bit as real as other popular syndromes like ADHD.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 at 07:32:35 PM EST
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While I would love to consider conservatism as a form of mental illness, this however leads straight to my other favorite quote:

No surprise: reductionism seems to be the point of science. But if there is a neurobiological [spelling  changed by PeWi] basis for religion (Dawkins is a biologist), then there must also be a neurobiological basis for atheism:

After donning a helmet wired with electromagnets, some 
subjects reported experiences they described as mystical, or at least
misty. When Richard Dawkins, author of The God Delusion, put on the
hood, it only made him a little dizzy. Persinger was quick to note that
Dawkins had scored way below average on a psychological
questionnaire measuring temporal lobe sensitivity--hints of a
neurobiological correlate for atheism.

As Thomas Adams points out (for whom I must also credit the Slate link):

Johnson's last line here is brilliant. After all, if theism is simply a
product of neurochemistry, then so is atheism - something that the
"explainers of religion" all too often forget. Perhaps, in the end, the
neurotheologians will show that it is atheism, not theism, which is
caused by a mental defect (this would be the logical conclusion, of
course, since the vast majority of the world's current and past
inhabitants have been theists)
. If so, will Slate.com then treat us to
articles that attempt to explain the "atheism meme" and the "agnostic
delusion"? (emphasis supplied)

That parenthetical is, of course, exactly right. But whether or not Slate, or anyone else, ever attempts to explain the "atheism meme" or the "agnostic delusion" is really neither here nor there, because in the last analysis this entire discussion is not a discussion but is, as Bunting points out, the same old song, and it is only about power. Power, however, serves no one, and makes sure always that its own ends are served.

all from Mr Madison

My tongue is firmly planted in my cheek whenever I quote this. Afterall, what IS normal.

by PeWi on Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 at 07:58:09 PM EST
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'Normal' is a social construct. Long-term cultural survivability prospects are a little more objective, and - at this point, if we don't limit the influence of conservatism - all too predictable.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 at 08:11:16 PM EST
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Afterall, what IS normal.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Tue Dec 4th, 2007 at 04:26:34 AM EST
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Dawkins is simply an evolutionary advancement, not a defect.

heh.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Dec 4th, 2007 at 01:54:10 PM EST
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Since when is reduction in ability evolutionary development? Hmm.  He might just have reduced his ability to fit in better with his peers - fit in better where he can exploit shortcomings of others that are similar to him....

having said that - while at the same time not believing that I really said it - part of what makes us function as human is the ability to forget - I read this somewhere, but simply cannot recall where that was....

by PeWi on Wed Dec 5th, 2007 at 07:40:54 AM EST
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Since when is reduction in ability evolutionary development?

Since when is it not?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2007 at 07:55:58 AM EST
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Neither "evolution" nor "development" imply "progress" in any particular direction.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2007 at 10:06:47 AM EST
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Especially not when humans are involved.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2007 at 08:29:20 PM EST
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well, a change in ability is surely a development, irrespective, if this is a reduction or an increase. We can probably agree on that.

now the remaining question is, is a reduction necessarily a limiter, or something than can enable. Again this probably depends.

Please do not forget that my initial comment is snark. I am neither particularly bothered, if there is a genetic, or brain marker, that enables theism - or if there is a not.

In the question of nurture v. nature, I am firmly exactly nowhere.
While it is interesting to ask the question, the assumption that there is a NEED to answer the question at all, is something that I would question.

For me the question of nurture v nature is one of responsibility and acceptance of ones own action.
Now this is not a universal statement, but one that is only valid for me.

by PeWi on Wed Dec 5th, 2007 at 11:16:12 AM EST
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reduction in ability? What if he lost social skills at the benefit of increased analytical skills?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Dec 5th, 2007 at 02:16:55 PM EST
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Dawkins is a gifted writer - his prose style is very, very good - but a mediocre scientist with very little published work.

I don't find his analytical skills very impressive - although I do admire the way he communicates.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2007 at 08:28:24 PM EST
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And "The God Delusion" is probably the most important (influential, talked-about) book of the year, even if it's not offering the slightest bit of "new" evidence or insight.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Thu Dec 6th, 2007 at 11:35:02 AM EST
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