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i have decided for a new year's resolution to stop posting and rating here for a month.
Looking forward to seeing you in a month! I always enjoyed your pictoresce comments, would miss them. :-)
any community that can permit or condone behaviour like that is not where i want to hang my e-hat.
'cause when sweethearts like you are made to feel uncomfortable, it's a sign of great infelicity, and unadressed issues.
but you're a psychotherapist, you know that.
this coming fast is also a gesture of protest against said behaviour.
tone, gentlemen, tone! The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
A lot of people have replied to you here in very good faith and with good wishes and it could have been left in a more positive light, but now... I'm really disappointed about it. Ad astra per aspera
I read what you read; and I read what you wrote. From where I sat, the thread held the fascination of an evolving car wreck. All in all, though, I rate your responses as wonderfully wrought and as valid as everyone else's.
And I know what you mean about the seductive qualities of this site. Immersion is OK, if we have an air-line and 8 days a week. (Right now, Top Hat is on the TV, so I have to take a few minutes to watch Fred and Ginger 'dancing cheek-to-cheek'. I guess that proves that I do have other things to do with my life.)
At any rate I am glad that you will lurk, as I'm working on the Winter garden diary that you requested. Wouldn't want you to miss it. Plus - co-op stuff coming up soon after. Ciao. paul spencer
thanks The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
the comment about the email addy above meant for our usa presidential candidate paul spencer. The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
I'll check the address in my profile. paul spencer
Evolving car wreck is a great analogy. I remember once getting onto ice in my car, and there was nothing I could do as I pirouetted through a complete circle to end up broadside on across the opposite lane.
Fortunately there was nothing coming....
But it was that feeling of helplessness coupled with a sort of detached horror that comes to mind...
good luck with your LLP's, and keep provoking us!
we'll know we're ready for prime time when we can navigate any subject without flaming out.
disagreement can be a spice to conversation.
burning down the kitchen, not so much. The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
depends...
not in that way, lol... The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
my january's are usually a bit shorter
;) The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
I hope you will not stay too long away from ET. I appreciate your contribution and I know that without the diversity of philosophies/opinions/points of view, ET wouldn't be what it is.
I think metavision was right to make apologies an she did it with grace. I also think others should have the same elegance. BTW, I troll-rated FPSDoug because I think his comment was concern-trolling.
Such a heated debate is a normal event in any human group and, although the initials of the site might be misleading, we are humans. The question is how to repair the social fabric and how to heal the hurt feelings. Some of the recent diaries are made for that and I suggest, for example, that, before withdrawing, you tell us where your username comes from in the stormy present's diary "Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
as to heated debate being normal, i agree, it's all too normal.
but it's not nice to be instrumentalised for others' issues, and so i am not inclined for play, something needs burying, and i don't like the smell.
as for my name, fran remembers what i shared about it back when.
it's a principle i find distasteful to compromise.
i don't put up with it in the real world, no need to regress for a blog.
you've been a nicefellow-blogger, thanks for that. The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
Happy new year!
Giss a call! We had a wonderful New Year's Eve party--and do you know the exact moment when the new year came to Brighton? We had six different clocks, fireworks starting, strange shouts from outside and then TEN, NINE, EIGHT, SEVEN, SIX...FAYVE, QUATTRO! TRE! DUE! UNO!
HA-PPY NEW YEAR!
And then you yank the wire out of the wall, push the OFF switch, stretch your legs, prepare...gird your loins! Let 'em dangle! Gird, dangle, gird, dangle! Ahhhh! Cinghiali snuffling, winter in the north, snow on its way--bad craziness!
I'm not sure how it all affects the integrity of ET--it's clearly a blog about energy, finance, politics, and whatever else appears in diaries and people gather round and chat--solving the world's problems again, and yeah, we learn and yeah--you got piled on and some things, you need drums and a piano, a violin and some geetars--words don't work the same way--and a month--the moon is young, you get to see the night sky (I get to see the night lights instead), and a friend of mine last night told me that he saw The Northern Lights while camping just north of Uckfield!
And those cocaine jitters---eeeee leck tricity!
It'll take a while to load...but hey, Captain Beefheart!
And---and....all these words to say, yeah! Let the moon circle, if I could I'd fly over so's we could go down to those hot springs, walk over those hills, big hugs! Laughter!
Last night another friend was telling me about the elements (I've been studying the periodic table--learning my science ABCs). Turns out that our sun isn't hot enough to produce the elements around us now. Not only, but the sun before this one--the one whose explosion led to ours--that one wasn't hot enough either. So we have to imagine another sun, one so huge and hot that it could create the elements making up the earth--and what makes up us, our carbon strip lifespace with all that we find here, is billions of years old waste products...and our sun will carry on....
LEP: Life is a fountain!
Ah--!
And long posts--DeAnander writes long comments, and I enjoy them. And I'm a ramblin' man! (See above!)
Plus the exclamation marks!
!!!
;)
Right, okay. Moving sideways, around, come over! Just pull the plug, the image turns to a dot and...wow...okay. Eyes open wide, here's the world--ready and waiting!
Ach, you see I just cannae get it into words so all of the above to say, Happy New Year! See you back at ET in a month? With a wonderful diary! Whoosh!
That card really got to me the first time I looked through the tarot, I was trying to memorise them all, telling myself the story, and there it was--the heart pierced by the swords. And the four has the man alseep (it may be a tomb, but) I like to think the fourth sword--the sword of basic rationality--the one the king holds--is the next step: the man finally gets to hang those three swords on his wall--no more heart piercing!
Enjoy! Good luck! Bon Voyage! See you soon!
(Reminds me of another conversation last night, about nomadic tribes meeting up after months of journeying, all the introductions--all the catching up to do! And the pleasure of travel and moving on...and maybe in large circles, or helixes, or some incredibly complicated dances...heh!)
Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
the cinghiali are outta control...
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briefer....briefer.... The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
Neoconlibs, just you wait! Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
I feel like Jack Nicholson's Joker in Michael Keaton's Batman: "Where does he get all those toys?" paul spencer
I've even been that errant bacterium......
As Solveig says, an ET "groupthink" can take over, as with any other group.
it's the scrambling lieutenants syndromeTM.
nice abstraction, though.
thanks for the sterling vibes over the years, you're good people. The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
That's a perception and a judgement on your part (one I think is both mistaken and offensive). *Traitor*, n. A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
your last blog post was 2005, i will write you a full account including stuff i will not post in a public place, if i could know your email.
it is quite a fascinating story, in its microcosmic way.
but do you care?
bye... The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
it seems no-one really wants to admit what really happened.
ok....
the truth rarely comes whence expected.
cover the emperor, quick! The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
too bad your email is not available, if you really care to know the answer to that question, i'd happily give you an answer backchannel.
for the record here, when you use your terminology of 'very judgemental and divisive' in a truly impartial way, then i'll take it seriously.
i'd like to leave liking you dodo, but you're pushing it, and i believe you're not carrying your own water here.
just scroll past my comments and ignore me, you're wasting your time.
thanks for making it easier to bail.
have a fun life The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
easy, same thing i'm trying to achieve by my 'fast'.
give it time, i'm sure it'll sink in.
thanks for all the nice diaries and comments over the years. The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
thanks for your fine intelligence and great goofy humour, and to solveig for all the silent 4's. The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
a healthy, enjoyable year to you, and that wonderful esTher. The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
you're a wise ol' horn-dawg, now take yer ginseng.
ciao The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
The Wounds are Real and there is "NO shame in feeling" them, but I know they take time and ´magic, personal rituals and potions´. Please send me some. The issues are Real, IMO serious too and obviously my blood can boil and run cold, but it´s too precious to spill. Everyone´s blood is worth protecting!, so I will keep trying from my best stubbornness. (Ooops. Forgot that quality in my apology! (; )
It´s a long month, --you could have picked February--but if you must... you´d better check in by the 29th at midnight!
I toasted to you and those that are hurt and excluded last night, which, ironically, covers everyone at ET, in some way! Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
it'll save you a whole bunch of 4-clicking, you good vibes tree, you.
ET doesn't need me, there's abundant irreverence here already.
good luck being ET's heart chakra! The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
Thank goodness you're coming back (you better!!!!!!!), and I'll miss you while you're gone.
one of my favourite fruits.
camped 6 months in a lychee orchard on kauai once.
have a good 'un The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
Come back rested :-)
Today, diary at the top of the list. Oh, no ...
I'm sorry for the conditions that have lead to your need for a break, but understand the reasons.
Looking forward to your next, inimitably straightforward, kind, creative contributions.
Baci. Happy new year.
wow. it's comments like this that make me seriously question whether i'm doing the right thing.
i really enjoy your offerings here, loefing, thanks for your blog presence. The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
i am very sentimental, and you know who you are.
i shall delete this diary tomorrow morning, so any more weirdness or happiness anyone wants to share, get on it!
i didn't come here just to be loved, but to study humanity and its evolution through this new medium.
i've learned what i came to learn.
i'll close with a lovely quote i found today from one of my heroes, einstein.
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
my leaving will do its part, addio! The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
i shall delete this diary tomorrow morning
I wouldn't be especially sad to see this diary - which seems likely more to increase than decrease tension on the site - deleted. I don't know what it was intended to do.
This is a friendly comment, please don't over-react ;-) You can't be me, I'm taken
If he needs a break he should take it, without spitting in our faces as he leaves. He's more than welcome to return when he gets whatever bile is in his system out, as far as I'm concerned.
looks like i don't have the groovy powers to do it anyway.
when do i come up before the courts?
should i be gathering evidence too?
oh that's right, i bailed...
better watch out for the bounty hunters.
:) The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
I believe you began chivalrously as always, but found yourself in a frustrating crossfire that you took too personally. I believe this because I have experienced the same myself. As I have pointed out many times (and which has been rightly tossed back at me), the failure of a message to be understood is always the fault of the sender. When these failures are compounded by all senders, it might appear conspiratorial, when it is in fact a dynamic of the system and thus the fault of no individual or group of individuals.
It is no bad choice to be away for a while. Step back. Your heart is good and will recover with rest. I wish you would come back soon - not on some timetable - but when your true strength is again centred in the right place. Peace, brother. You can't be me, I'm taken
I really think you should also consider whether your perception of what has happened is the only possible interpretation. What people said and what you thought they meant can be two different things.
i'm aware of that. thanks for the reminder though.
I believe this because I have experienced the same myself. As I have pointed out many times (and which has been rightly tossed back at me), the failure of a message to be understood is always the fault of the sender.
yes you're right, another reason i'm gone.
i was ignoring the swollen lymph gland in the system, and now it has become a tumour.
thanks for all the righteous belly laughs over the years, your bella presenza has always one of main reasons for my addiction to ET.
unfortunately it takes only a few bad ingredients to spoil an otherwise delicious soup.
great while it lasted, time to turn the page.
if i see the nasty elements evacuated, or the denial burns off, i'll be back subito....
but i can no longer be an active part of it, because i reflect everything, and must be much more discriminating as to which rays hit my parabola.
i'm in for the long haul, after all...
anyone notice that benazir bhutto was dying as we wrangled?
there were some heavy spirits out and about that night...
too bad your wisdom and generosity of spirit was not more infectious here.
The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
As I have pointed out many times (and which has been rightly tossed back at me), the failure of a message to be understood is always the fault of the sender.
I see it a bit differently. I see all communication as an attempt to transfer something (ideas/emotions/state of mind) between two (or more) persons. If it fails it is to the loss of all who tried.
That anything can be communicated - cross lots of cultural borders - in this plain text form is quite strange and demands (in my experience) much assuming of good faith to succeed.
But of course a dialogue usually ensues in which all parties become 'senders'.
The concept of dialogue is largely ignored by politicians, corporate executives and large swathes of the advertising and marketing industries who stick to their spin, propaganda and monologue as entertainment. You can't be me, I'm taken
Melo, I hope you do come back, but i've seen people do this before, and then be too embarassed to come back after they've spoken, hurt, in the heat of the moment. Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
over and out The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
Return is the movement of the Tao Yielding is the way of the Tao All things are born of being. Being is born of non-being.
Tao Te Ching Stephen Mitchell version. Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu Translated by Lin Yutang, Terebess Asia Online (TAO)
42. The Violent Man Out of Tao, One is born; Out of One, Two; Out of Two, Three; Out of Three, the created universe. The created universe carries the yin at its back and the yang in front; Through the union of the pervading principles it reaches harmony. To be "orphaned," "lonely" and "unworthy" is what men hate most. Yet the princes and dukes call themselves by such names. For sometimes things are benefited by being taken away from, And suffer by being added to. Others have taught this maxim, Which I shall teach also: "The violent man shall die a violent death." This I shall regard as my spiritual teacher.
Out of Tao, One is born; Out of One, Two; Out of Two, Three; Out of Three, the created universe. The created universe carries the yin at its back and the yang in front; Through the union of the pervading principles it reaches harmony.
To be "orphaned," "lonely" and "unworthy" is what men hate most. Yet the princes and dukes call themselves by such names. For sometimes things are benefited by being taken away from, And suffer by being added to.
Others have taught this maxim, Which I shall teach also: "The violent man shall die a violent death." This I shall regard as my spiritual teacher.
The Tao gives birth to One. One gives birth to Two. Two gives birth to Three. Three gives birth to all things. All things have their backs to the female and stand facing the male. When male and femal combine all things achieve harmony. Ordinary men hate solitude. But the Master makes use of it. embracing his aloneness,realizing he is one with the whole universe.
All things have their backs to the female and stand facing the male. When male and femal combine all things achieve harmony.
Ordinary men hate solitude. But the Master makes use of it. embracing his aloneness,realizing he is one with the whole universe.
I wasn't around for the flames and spats so I really don't know what the hell pushed you to this decision. I found out through the hidden comments where I did reply to Mr. Freeze's taunt by mega-trolling him where I found his comments of that tenure.
I almost never troll-rate as a matter of plain courtesy and for a practical reason: It not only eliminates the shitty comment but everything written on that thread, which at times is well worth keeping.
As for your personal issue with some people here I have difficulty piecing it together since there are no links supplied. Much has been compromised by the disappearance of entire threads. I can empathize but am not privy to why you're apparently pissed off at Dodo.
I don't consider myself as part of some elite inner club, nor feel that I'm supposed to have some cop role to enforce. I can't agree that there's institutionalized behaviour towards neophytes or newcomers. Sure, we know the ropes and are familiar with each other, hell, even some bonding going on. But Freeze's comments in general, the self-cancellation of his reportedly very good diary, his gratuitous insults and badgering are, to say the least, disruptive.
Disruptive? In group therapy at times there is a person bent on breaking up the setting. It is catalyzing but is often sterile just as any dia-bolic acting out is. A hell of a lot of dynamics come out both in the group and on an individual level, often brutal and aggressive. And it's up to the leaders or trainers to channelize the energy, to harness it, never leaving a single participant out in the cold. But all that goes on in a precise setting, the framework of a group that is doing therapy.
ET is not a therapy session. If anyone is into spilling their personal hang-ups, their relational problems, out in a disruptive manner, regardless of their noteworthy qualifications, I suggest they go elsewhere. The written format is far too easily misinterpreted. There's no tone of voice, pauses, hesitations or emphasis of a particular word to go by. There's no skin tone, eye movement, posture or gestures to go by. There are proper settings for that, and it's definitely not out here in the ether.
So the rules of the game are a modicum of courtesy and an effort to clarifying any misunderstanding. A caveat of troll-rating here is to explain why. And as far as I've seen that's been done.
Beyond that, I sympathize with your other points. A really good site is inspiring. I too have had long sleepless nights and have often got to that "hey, wait a minute" point when it over-compromised my meat-world edition. So I'll miss your presence and comments, even though I feel you'll still be around enjoying silently the great stuff everybody contributes here, you included.
Enjoy your vacation!
Perhaps the heated words of song shall sound again and people, free, will die the death they choose and I will tell the wanderings of the sacred muse and bring all those thoughts back to me.
'We reported back to hearts what we had seen and told our footsteps all about where we had been'. notes from no w here
