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I'm nursing a hangover, so my coherence might not be very good yet.  I have to wonder how much Bove will poll?  10%, and does he pull from Royal?  If so can he force Royal below 20%, and can Baryou pull off an upset 2nd place showing in the first round?

I'm seeing that it's possible (not probable, though) that Bove's entry could force Royal into third place.  Didn't Le-Pen get into the second round in 2002?

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:04:33 AM EST
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I seriously doubt this. Hulot's 10 or 11% were largely goodwill points because he's a well-known TV personality. The fact that Hulot pulled out left room for Bové, but I'd be very surprised to see Bové reach 10%.

As I say above, he's likely to take votes from Buffet and Besancenot, and also Voynet. And also some from Royal, no doubt. But Royal will only miss the second round if she screws up her campaign.

If it did happen that Royal slipped out of sight and wasn't in the second round, I'd see Le Pen there, not Bayrou.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:13:59 AM EST
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Ah, a second round where we'd all be rooting for Sarko. What a great prospect that would be.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:15:09 AM EST
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Where we'd be seriously looking at buying an island to found ETopia...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:22:52 AM EST
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You know, Barbara and I are scouting Southern Bohemia for a location for ETopia...

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:26:01 AM EST
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Sealand

Currently up for lease for those in need of fully sovereign real estate.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:34:04 AM EST
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That would be great for Distopia.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:35:52 AM EST
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And where would we grow the carrots?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:42:22 AM EST
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Tht would be great. We'd be real Bohemians instead of fakes.

And, who knows, we might find an island off the coast.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:35:50 AM EST
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That was the irony I was aiming at.

It happened in 2002, and that was Le-Pen vs Chirac.

I'm seeing this trend that Bayrou is rising, and Le-Pen is falling.

I think that Afew is right though, that the Socialist vote is fairly solid.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:25:53 AM EST
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Le Pen in the second round, but against SR. She will benefit from the "guilt vote" of the lefties that do not want a repeat of 2002 (with or without a unified hard left candidate, but even more if there are several candidates)

On the right, Sarko is not liked by many, and is squeezed nicely between Bayrou and Le Pen, not to mention sovereignist Dupont-Aignan who will grab a few %.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 09:32:32 AM EST
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Yup.

I don't know anybody in my little procuration circle who intends to vote the same was as in 2002.

(Have to admit to liking Bove a lot, but I don't think the person I gave procuration to would actually do that, even if I would, which I wouldn't.)

Fai de bčn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 10:45:19 AM EST
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'procuration circle' - what is that?
by MarekNYC on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 04:52:51 PM EST
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Absentee ballot is a "procuration" in France. And the circle is my immediate circle of friends, many of whom are French here in the frozen tundra of Minneapolis (quite a community, big university town).

Quite a few of us voted (well, myself and three others I know) in the first round for someone other than Jospin and none of us will vote against Royal this time because of what happened.

When you vote absentee in France, it's not like in the US where you just mail in your ballot from wherever you are and it gets counted in the state you used to live. You give your vote to someone you trust to go and vote for you by "procuration," and that person needs to be registered in the same commune as you.

Important thing is trust. You give your vote, and you count on that person to vote the way you want them to. In my case this time, I changed from 2002 the person, and I know very well the person who's voting for me would not vote for someone other than Royal. That's part of the deal. But at least, I am 100% sure he will vote, which wasn't totally the case last time (though she told me she did later...)

It's sort of a pain. One has to sign a procuration form,  in front of an official who is authorized to do procurations (like someone at city hall if you are in France but won't be for the vote, or a consular officer). This sounds relatively easy but if you don't happen to live anywhere near a consulate and it's been a year or more since you've been back in France, it's not as easy as it sounds. I live in Minneapolis and we had someone show up one day at the Alliance Francaise to take them for us, "notarizing" them properly and forwarding them to the consulate. But if I couldn't make it to see him, this would mean I'd likely need to go to Chicago. Big pain. (It's worse for my wife - she made the mistake of changing her voter registration when she registered as an expat at the consulate, and now she needs to vote in Chicago or find a french person there who'll vote for her...)

Fai de bčn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 05:42:57 PM EST
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'procuration circle'

Geez, I was going to respond to Marek with some snarky nonsense about Frenchy crop circles but decided to err on the side of maturity instead.  But after reading this comment, I've gotta say, crop circles sound rather reality-based in comparison.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 06:27:07 PM EST
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Have I told you how much I enjoy pie?

Fai de bčn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant
by redstar on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 06:40:19 PM EST
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I don't know what the hell that's about.  I was trying to sympathize with you and your bizarro absentee voting rules...

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
by p------- on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 08:17:53 PM EST
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"I like pie" is a way of ducking out of an argument, a flame war, a... pie fight.

I used it here in Drew's diary about smoking, to signify I wasn't going to get into an fight about smoking again.

I suppose redstar was just saying he wasn't into a debate about the merits or demerits of proxy or absentee voting systems...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 02:48:13 AM EST
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Ditto to most of what afew said.

Apologize if I misread your comment. I did not take it as intended.

Fai de bčn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 11:20:00 AM EST
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Thanks.  I had no interest in a pie fight...

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
by p------- on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 11:27:30 AM EST
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How about calling it "vote by proxy"? Would that make it less weird?

In Spain, absentee voting is just postal voting. I actually liked it so much while I was in the US that I decided to register to vote by mail in the UK local elections, too.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 11:29:41 AM EST
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