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Mainstream right candidate François Bayrou of the UDF appears to be drawing voters from Le Pen

Hm.

  1. Are your figures for likely voters or all voting-age people? If the former, you should more consider voter activity.

  2. It looks more likely to me that Bayrou (whom you have on the table with a typo, BTW) got almost all of his votes from Sarko, and Le Pen lost to Sarko.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 12:05:28 PM EST
One of the latest polls gives Bayrou 14%, which is interesting (and fits with what I am hearing around me, and those guys are "average" French). If Bayrou makes a 16%, he breaks the "presidentiable wall" and the race becomes very open. A snowball effect is then expected.

It's possible that Bayrou is drawing people from le Pen but in that case only the fringe that votes LePen, not because they share his ideas but because they use him as a warning signal against the establishment.

I think that his votes come from different sources, since 14% is much bigger than the UDF base :

  • "white" voters and others that are not satisfied by the duo Sarko-Sego but don't want to vote for the extremes. This is a potentially very big group.

  • the social-democratic left which is appalled by Sego's repeated gaffes and knows that Bayrou would include it in a new government (this group has increased these last weeks).

  • a part of the "leftist" Sarko electorate which is not pleased by his use of state resources to sustain his campaign and is afraid that an elected Sarko would put France in constant social conflict.

In a way Bayrou is a French Carter. And the French are very tired of the "nixonian" Chirac era, even if Chirac never fell to the Nixon's lows, or at least never got caught.
by oldfrog on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 04:12:00 PM EST
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the social-democratic left which is appalled by Sego's repeated gaffes and knows that Bayrou would include it in a new government (this group has increased these last weeks).

I wonder what kind of insurances it has that Bayrou would have its government open to the left. UDF is still a right-wing party, voting with the UMP most of the times. many UDF deputies are indeed announcing their support for Sarko... And a Royal defeat would kill the PS in the parliamentary elections. Who would end up PM ?

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 05:54:18 AM EST
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well I have no "insurances" but I can assess the following :

  • Bayrou wants a government of national union, it's one of the core points in his campaign and I think he is sincere. You cannot have national union if you don't include the left.

  • the current UDF is hardly a "right-wing" party. Some UDF members have jumped to the UMP like Robien, Douste-Blazy and Borloo, but they hardly can be considered as right-wingers, specially Borloo. The rest of the UDF has consequently been voting AGAINST the UMP in core issues, the CPE and the budget to name some. Besides it depends what you mean with "right-wing". The French UMP is on many aspects to the left of centrist US Democrats.

  • a Royal defeat would not "kill the PS". It is often the case that the French tend to vote for the opposition in the legislatives to counter the Presidential power. The UDF would have to create a majority and the PS would be a more natural ally than a defeated Sarko (in my opinion Bayrou can only become president if the goes against Sarko in the second run).

  • in the current system the President chooses the government, not the result of the parliamentary vote. The later one gives only a more or less big majority to support the chosen government. So Bayrou can choose to put leading socialists (of the social-democratic type) to key governmental posts. Figures like Strauss-Kahn, Kouchner are possible. Even Rocard (with his age as a handicap). Borloo is probably available too from the "right" and is consensual for the majority of the French.

  • If Segolène keep losing in February,following the actual trend (a big scandal is sailing up, check the Figaro), there is a risk of a split among the socialists, which means they will lose. Their only option is then to back Bayrou and negotiate govermental influence. I bet that Strauss-Kahn is first in line.  

  • I think that LePen is out of the game this time, despite all rumors. It's not the same situation than in 2002.
by oldfrog on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 09:31:00 PM EST
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A late reply about a couple of your points :

Douste-Blazy and Borloo are no longer UDF members, as they have joined the UMP. But other UDF members are still clearly right-wing, such as Andre Santini.

Bayrou asked his party deputies to vote against the UMP on some core issues, but they often balked at it. And most of the time, the UDF votes with the government.

The general perception is that parliament elections follow the result of the présidential one. See 2002 ; since Chirac had won, the parliament sent to the Palais Bourbon was right-wing, with barely a campaign made.
And even with Bayrou president, the UDF probably can't single-handedly get a majority in the assembly as it has too few incumbents.

Since the parliament in effect has to approve a government's formation, an UDF-UMP majority would end up as a strictly right-wing government.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 6th, 2007 at 03:39:32 AM EST
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