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Clinton ran on universal health care and failed to deliver. After that he didn't even try to fulfill any of his promises to voters. It's good that Royal is promising good things, but I'm not convinced she means any of them.

On the other hand, if she wins, it will be because of the new program, so she could interpret that as stridently left-wing equals popular. But then again, she could pull a Clinton and decide that any win must be due to the few conservative planks, like the one about the reform schools.

by Alon (alon_levy1@yahoo.com) on Sun Feb 11th, 2007 at 09:21:23 PM EST
it's SO obvious. Why don't the French see that ? BTW it's exactly the same for Sarkozy, with the difference that he doesn't wear a skirt.
by oldfrog on Sun Feb 11th, 2007 at 09:53:17 PM EST
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What does "all skirt, no cattle" mean, other than a slur on women?

The expression "all hat, no cattle" (or horse) is a cowboy or rancher metaphor that can be applied to anyone, male or female. Your substitution of "skirt" implies that Royal's only argument lies in exploiting her femininity (charm, good looks, etc).

If that's what you mean, then you should argue it properly. Or stop making allusions of this kind.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 01:59:48 AM EST
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Segolene doesn't wear a hat. If it can make you happy I can say about Sarko "all pants, no cattle".

Yes you can say that that looks and posturing are not enough to make a good president.

It has nothing to do with slurs on women.

by oldfrog on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 09:39:01 AM EST
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Most people of whom it is said: "all hat, no cattle" don't wear a hat. And no, I don't accept that you would ever have said: "all pants, no cattle" of Sarkozy, unless I had objected to your use of "skirt".

It's just casual sexism.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 02:01:49 PM EST
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As a person who has supported a female candidate for president three elections in a row (Rehn, Rehn, Halonen), I for one think "skirts" can be excellent presidents.

Also, you have no idea what Sarkozy does behind closed doors. I don't judge, though.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde

by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 04:50:56 AM EST
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Also, you have no idea what Sarkozy does behind closed doors. I don't judge, though

And no wish, whatsoever, to know. Yeck.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 04:52:26 AM EST
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Do you care to rephrase this ...., please?  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 01:37:28 PM EST
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What's your suggestion to lock candidates into a rock-hard pact to keep their electoral promises?

Your reflections apply to any candidate. Why only apply them to Clinton and Royal?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 02:02:36 AM EST
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They apply more to candidates whose main selling points are insane charisma and charm, rather than a solid record. Incumbents have the easiest time being believed, as long as what they say is a continuation of what they did in office. When Sarkozy promises to get tough on crime or to gut immigrants' rights, I can compare what he says to what he did during the riots. When Royal promises to keep the 35-hour week a few months after she promised to repeal it, I reserve the right to doubt her credibility.
by Alon (alon_levy1@yahoo.com) on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 08:39:09 AM EST
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I don't think it's even worth arguing about your "insane charisma" language, but you're mistaken in saying Royal "promised to repeal" the 35-hour week.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 09:02:21 AM EST
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I got the 35-hour week thing from Wikipedia, back when she won the primary.
by Alon (alon_levy1@yahoo.com) on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 10:01:18 AM EST
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She criticzed the 35-hour, indeed, but from the left, i.e. saying that it was too favorable to companies and not to workers (which is actually true in some industrial sectors, as work timetables became ste on a yearly basis, with much more flexible - i.e. less stable and less predictable - hours)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 10:23:37 AM EST
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Wikipedia's Ségolène Royal page now says this:

She also criticized some side effects of the 35-hour working week that Lionel Jospin wrote into law when he was Prime Minister

[me not wikipedia]: Those side-effects were mainly, she said, that women in some jobs had been forced to work hours that were difficult for them in view of family commitments.

(It's not often noted that the 35-hour laws included negotiations between labour and management on flexibilisation of working hours within the week and within the year - to the considerable benefit of businesses).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 11:35:53 AM EST
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You can correct the wikipedia article. Among other things, the quotation you give "needs a citation".

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 11:45:48 AM EST
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Just in case, "insane" in this context doesn't mean lack of sanity, but just means very large. I don't think many Americans would object to the phrase "Clinton had insane charisma and charm", and they would not interpret it as implying that Clinton is insane.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 10:03:43 AM EST
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I know ;)

I'm just a bit tired of hearing this "Royal is charisma, charm, a pretty face, and then nothing behind the mask" that is after all the right's main narrative thrust in this election.

I don't think Clinton was just a pretty face either...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 11:44:36 AM EST
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Well, people can be charismatic and still have serious content. I'd analogize Royal to an American or British politician here, but Clinton and Blair are the opposite of what I'm trying to demonstrate. Unlike them, Royal seems to have some political principles. Whether Obama is a Blairite more than a Royalite remains to be seen.
by Alon (alon_levy1@yahoo.com) on Thu Feb 15th, 2007 at 07:28:12 PM EST
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You mention "insane" and you leave out a certain unmentionable and the last 6 years in the US???  

What are you really getting at?

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 01:15:30 PM EST
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...stridently left-wing...

Only somebody from the United States could find SR's programme "stridently left-wing"

I guess anything including the words "social justice" or "equality" sounds "stridently left-wing" to you...


"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Mon Feb 12th, 2007 at 05:20:35 AM EST
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In my defense, she is stridently left-wing. I'm not insane enough to think she's an extremist, but the way she's presenting her views is very strident.

Also, I can't think of a single country where the minimum wage is two thirds of GDP, which is what Royal is suggesting. I'm all for it, but let's call a spade a spade. That, and it's time someone finally told the Germans that it would be awfully nice if they didn't impose their dysfunctional monetary policy on the entire Eurozone.

by Alon (alon_levy1@yahoo.com) on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 08:35:14 AM EST
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On Germany, you might like to look at Franco-German Trade Gap.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 13th, 2007 at 12:01:21 PM EST
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