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Well yes, however one can argue that the possibility that the Kurds become an irredentist fifth column (a lot of them are already - if you have talked with Kurdish activists, before Ocalan's capture, outside of Turkey, you know what I mean) is made more probable by the combination of ethnic cleansing, occupation army tactics and cultural persecution that has characterized Turkey's treatment of the Kurds these past few decades. The Turkish political establishment (and the military-economic complex behind it) has only managed to exacerbate the problem by refusing to talk (indeed persecuting) even with the most peaceful of Kurdish activists.

Keeping the Kurdish issue alive as a "national threat" (by treating as treason any discussion of Kurdish human rights) is part of the way the political and military elites in Turkey perpetuate their hegemony over society. There's nothing like a permanent internal threat to justify repression, lack of democracy and military involvement in politics.    

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Wed Feb 14th, 2007 at 06:35:31 PM EST
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I agree with both your points. Especially the second. I'm just imagining that, in terms of threats (real or perceived) the Turks prefer to deal with the PKK as it is constituted now, but they truly fear such a movement backed by a relatively strong state. Then support might come in the form of both money and arms, to a much greater degree than the PKK have now.

I agree with the idea as well that a Turkish-Kurdish friendship would suit the interest of both peoples. I'm just speculating that the fear of the future is an obstacle for Turkish thinking.

by Upstate NY on Wed Feb 14th, 2007 at 09:16:48 PM EST
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I'm just imagining that, in terms of threats (real or perceived) the Turks prefer to deal with the PKK as it is constituted now, but they truly fear such a movement backed by a relatively strong state.

Yes, I see what you mean... However there is a counterargument that if Turkey supports a Kurdish state in Iraq (I mean actively), given that its economy will depend on a large part on Turkey, it might come to a general arrangement, by which it grants autonomy rights to its own Kurds (and possibly apologizes for "past mistakes") and reaches some sort of agreement with the Iraqi Kurds as per not supporting secessionism. In fact were Turkey to play it smart, in an ideal world it will have an active ally in its South and stop the Kurdish insurgency inside its borders.

This is all theoretical, mind you. The current mentality (and the interests noted above), I agree with you, guarantees that no such arrangement is possible - it's not even stateable by a Turkish politician without risking some sort of judicial adventure.

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 15th, 2007 at 06:41:06 AM EST
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That would be truly forward and amazing thinking, especially the "past mistakes" part, and of course so many nations around the world are deficient in that regard.
by Upstate NY on Thu Feb 15th, 2007 at 09:52:07 PM EST
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