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By the way. Am I the only one who thinks human population density is already too high globally and in Europe, and doesn't think population reduction is a problem per se?

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Feb 14th, 2007 at 07:46:18 AM EST
I've thought that for a long time. I am of the opinion that our elites just want the cannon fodder and cheap labour, though Redstar had some good arguments about pensions and intergenerational solidarity in one of the diaries on the French fertility rate.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 14th, 2007 at 07:51:29 AM EST
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<humble acknowledgment of compliment>

There is also the counter argument, one advanced by the PCF in the 1960's (it may surprise many that Maurice Thorez, at his wife's behest, was against abortion), that population control was a tool wielded against the working classes to limit their power.

</humble acknowledgment of compliment.>

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by redstar on Wed Feb 14th, 2007 at 10:17:41 AM EST
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Do the elites know what they want?

Apart from a vague sense of More is Good and Less is Bad, I'm not sure there's much of an evidence of a masterplan.

If anything, looking at the Right in the US it's clear that these people are deeply, almost pathologically confused, and detached from mainstream consensus reality.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Feb 14th, 2007 at 09:23:05 PM EST
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I dunno. Seems to me they're confused to be sure, but more in the "onward christian soldiers" way, ie vague notions of the power of demography and its usages over history in the extension of dominion (or empire, if you rather).

For instance, some of these fools actually thought it possible to not only be welcomed as liberators in Irak, but that with enough proselytizing zeal, the conversions would be right on the heals of liberation; thus is this dominionism of roughly a quarter of Americans - those quarter who supply so many of the troops for America's overseas adventures -  so well aligned with the empire-building aims of America's elite.

It might be added that this state of affairs is not unlike what most of the rest of the West looked like before the enlightenment, and gives a certain appreciation, for example, of St Bart's day.

Of course, the fight doesn't always have to be against external foes, ie Thorez' point.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Thu Feb 15th, 2007 at 10:21:01 AM EST
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No, you're far from the only one. While what makes for a materially content life varies a lot according to your outlook, it's generally so that it takes a lot to make us happy. When then we have gone from being relatively rare, like other large, demanding, long-lived, top-of-the-food-chain creatures to having a population on the order of that of the brown rat... I worry about its wisdom or sustainability.

We're going to need to reformulate economic and social policies in such a way as to support a declining population because this always more people model I cannot see lasting.

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by JQL (deinikoi at gmail dot com) on Wed Feb 14th, 2007 at 08:11:25 AM EST
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New User, New User, everyone! (okay, second comment, not first)

Welcome to the Eurotrib, JQL. Hope to see you posting more in the future.

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Wed Feb 14th, 2007 at 08:54:05 AM EST
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