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But is there no reward for those that have managed their lives better than Mickey?

I think...those who have managed their lives well have...their lives as their reward...

...maybe there's something here (not sure...): the idea of a reward in the future for...hmmm...you know, planting the best seeds so the next crop will be bigger vs. eating the best seeds so the next crop will be weaker...

And yes, I suppose scarcity leads to decision making...but the richest countries in the world...well...hmmm...I suppose I think sickness and infirmity should not be punished, no matter what the causes.  (The victorians had the idea of the "deserving" and "undeserving" poor...I think society got...healthier...when, after WWII a socialist govt. banished this...meme...and replaced it with...what was it?  The four evils...ah, I have googled and the evils were five.

Three years later, Ernest Bevin, Minister of Labour, asked him to look into existing schemes of social security, which had grown up haphazardly, and make recommendations. In 1941, the government ordered a report on how Britain should be rebuilt after World War II; Beveridge was an obvious choice to take charge.

The Report to the Parliament on Social Insurance and Allied Services was published in 1942. It proposed that all people of working age should pay a weekly national insurance contribution. In return, benefits would be paid to people who were sick, unemployed, retired or widowed. Beveridge argued that this system would provide a minimum standard of living "below which no one should be allowed to fall".

Recommended that the government should find ways of fighting the five 'Giant Evils' of Want, Disease, Ignorance, Squalor and Idleness. This led to the setting up of the modern Welfare State (the culmination of the Fabians' project) with a National Health Service (NHS)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Beveridge

(Don't worry about the delay replying...I'm off and on the computer at all kinds of strange hours at the moment...)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Sun Mar 4th, 2007 at 06:23:46 AM EST
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I think what I'm struggling with here is how do you handle situations where for one reason or another, everyone can't get all the necessary healthcare.  Mickey's example in particular is a pretty good one, because there was not, and I think still is not, anything like an artificial liver.  and you die without a liver (little outside my clinical depth here, but I think that is true).  So Mickey, probably more due to his age, was low on the list to get livers as they became available from people who died--younger people got them.  (actually, maybe he got one and his body rejected it and he couldn't get a second).  but anyway, this is one form of the need for rationing.

Another reason for rationing is cost.  If artificial hearts continue to come along and become practical (outside my depth again, but I've read of some initial clinical trials), I doubt if as the baby boomers age in the US, and same phenom in EU, that either system will be able to afford to give a heart to everyone that needs one.  This will certainly be true in the early days after approval as costs are bound to be high--overtime maybe they'll come down.  so how does one handle that one?  some approaches would be;
o  everybody or nobody
o  a lottery
o  rationed based upon age and maybe other overall health determinants--ie don't give it to someone with terminal cancer that has 3 months left anyway.  or ration based on "qualies", a system developed primarily in the UK
o  have various levels of health insurance, so that some could choose to buy more expensive health insurance that would cover more and more expensive technologies.
o  I think in the above case, you would find charities forming to help families in particularly difficult situations.

the higher price for insurance policies doesn't have a great feel to it, in the benefit the rich sense.  But it would also allow many people to make choices with how they spend their money--keep that car for 10 years instead of 5, and buy a higher level of health insurance, etc., etc.  But the French healthcare system seems to have this concept, where higher levels of insurance are paid for.  In the US it could have the advantage of getting everyone insured at a basic level, and maybe that level could be pretty high.  

by wchurchill on Sun Mar 4th, 2007 at 07:22:20 PM EST
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