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My impression is that the US broke Britain's economic power after the war, which made it impossible for Britain to finance its empire.
The Bretton Woods institutions had not yet been established, and Britain was virtually devoid of liquid international reserves. It was into this virtual economic vacuum that the United States moved to secure subjugation of sterling by the dollar...

What proved so troublesome to the British loan negotiators were the conditions the U.S. Government attached to the loan. Historically speaking, these represent the genesis of the infamous IMF "conditionalities" that have been imposed on debtor countries ever since. It was these negotiations that cast the die. British negotiators gave way on every point critical to its postwar self-interest, each time in exchange for additional U.S. financial assistance. "Not many people in this country", The Economist concluded in 1947 when the totality of British capitulation had become clear, "believe the Communist thesis that it is the deliberate and conscious aim of American policy to ruin Britain and everything that Britain stands for in the world. But the evidence can certainly be read that way. And if every time that aid is extended, conditions are attached which make it impossible for Britain ever to escape the necessity of going back for still more aid, to be obtained with still more self-abasement and on still more crippling terms, then the result will certainly be what the Communists predict...

The United States reverted to its interwar policy of aiding the defeated powers more than its wartime allies. The costs of occupying Germany continued to drain Britain's balance of payment, while Germany's internal debt was cancelled and its economy was free to start anew, unburdened by its indebtedness—the basis for the German miracle of the next quarter-century. Britain was permitted no such miracle. (Michael Hudson, Super Imperialism, 269-272)

So it is simplistic to say, as Chalmers Johnson does, that "the overall thrust of postwar British history is clear: the people of the British Isles chose democracy over imperialism": they were forced to make this "choice" by the new American empire. I like Johnson's writing a lot—I have read his previous two books—but I think that he is better at describing empire than explaining it.

It's funny how the atlanticist editors of the Economist and the FT seem to have forgotten this little bit of their history.

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns

by Alexander on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 04:55:02 PM EST
as the other end result of empire. But even then its colonies had been splitting off into self-government. Johnson also argues that Britain went to democracy kicking and screaming, pointing out the Malayan Emergency and Kenyan conflict were largely about trying to keep some semblance of empire.

Then again, by WWII the UK was demilitarising. Australia knew full well the Royal Navy could not fight a war in Europe and the Pacific even though they maintained the fiction of the 'Singapore Strategy' to the electorate.

cam

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by cam on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 08:02:50 PM EST
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Well then, Johnson oversimplifies his own account when he says that the British people rejected imperialism. I think it's a valid generalization to say that given a choice, people of all nations would reject imperialism: people everywhere just want to have a decent life, and don't care about grandiose imperialist projects. But elites do get a thrill out of such projects.

I think that the difference between the US and Britain in this respect is that British imperialism and British elites were tired, so they lacked the will to fight the desire of the people. Americans today want an empire no more than the British people did at the end of WW II. The problem is that American elites still think that empire is a going proposition for them, so they are not willing to give the American people what they want.

I think Johnson has a simplistic notion of how nations choose the paths they take. He writes as if nations can choose which way they go, the way a person can plan out their career. It isn't like that. Nations have destinies, determined by institutional, cultural, and other constraints, over which they have little control.

Which is not to say that I have not been impressed by his argument that empire and democracy/republic are incompatible, and accepted it.

On the other hand, Britain managed to be both a highly successful de facto republic and a highly successful empire for over two centuries. So Johnson's thesis isn't a useful practical (or theoretical) guide, although it is a very good talking point, which is perhaps all he intended it to be.

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns

by Alexander on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 02:18:46 AM EST
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I think he's just plain wrong on that score. The most democratic time in UK history - which is more or less the post-war consensus defined by Clem Attlee that survied from 1947 to 1979 - was also the period when the UK was mostly obviously having to give up the Empire.

There was nominal democracy much earlier. But even though the franchise had been widened to include almost everyone by the end of the 19th century, it wasn't until the Labour Party started gaining significant interest that the working classes had real representation in parliament.

Political forms are much less important than whether the system as a whole is driven by the elites for their own benefit, or by the working classes.

Oligarchy is the natural backbone of empires, but sometimes it puts on democratic clothing and tries hard to look innocent.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 06:56:00 AM EST
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I think it's a valid generalization to say that given a choice, people of all nations would reject imperialism: people everywhere just want to have a decent life, and don't care about grandiose imperialist projects. But elites do get a thrill out of such projects.

I think his point his, once you get to that point you have two choices, either democratise and cease to strive for empire, or become a dictatorship and try to hang on to it by sucking any remaining worth out of the country. His example for going the latter way was Augustus Caesar.

There was a time when Britain's economy was like the current American one. It was way ahead of all its rivals in size, ability to attract capital, technology, output, productivity etc. After WWII that mantle had moved to the US.

The other aspect is that British Empire was built on the Royal Navy. At the end of WWII empire came through airpower, and naval projection was dominated by the aircraft carrier. In 1945 the US was pumping out something like five aircraft carriers a month in production. Britain couldn't compete in the expense department. Yet a century and a half earlier when expensive copper plating was a technological jump, Britain plated their ships as quickly as they could.

I think you are correct that the elites get to make the decisions relating to empire and whether it continues or not. By your definition, increasing democratic input into the political process suggests empire becomes harder and harder to implement with public opinion as the people rarely want it.

cam

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by cam on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 08:18:18 AM EST
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