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Very very interesting article. Of course, one need not recourse to as far back as Rome to consider how a Republic descends into Empire; France has a few similar episodes in her past after all, as does modern Italy (empire not necessarily meaning success in foreign campaigns, after all, as America is proving yet again).

I'd be curious just how much of this "America as Modern Rome" analogy is becoming common wisdom, and realizing that Johnson is using the analogy in a different (and much more apprehensive way) than many other contemporary (albeit mostly American - nothing like patting one's own back after all, and what better way to pat one's own back than by analogizing one's own country to the most powerful and long-lived republic and empire in the history of mankind...)

Many of us will be forgiven for stifling a bit of a laugh. America's "Republic" is barely 200 years old, it has rarely been anything but a tool for facilitating further accumulation of wealth (excluding a brief period from the 1930's to the 1970's) and foreign adventurism (no period to exclude here) so it is somewhat amusing to see these paeans to what America once was as opposed to what those evil people are trying to get it to become.

Let's not lose sight of the fact, for instance, that George Dubya Bush's vision of America is one from the past - the pre-Roosevelt era America (and by Roosevelt I mean Teddy, not Franklin) that was so good to his class, and less so to most other classes. The America, in short, which has obtained for most of her history. "Domestic tyranny" was indeed the order of the day, with the Army regularly brought out to break strikes and kill recalcitrant workers, help steal land (and not just from the autochtones) and engage in imperial adventures abroad as well.

So it is somewhat disingenuous to compare Rome, a proper Republic for 500 years or so before descending into the Empire which eventually would rot, to America, whose Republican credentials have most always been at best spotty.

But if Johnson is set on comparison to the classical period, he could do worse than to cite the Seleucids -at root the product of colonization (and therefore more earnest, if less succesful, colonizers), turned back on its home hellenic base, chronic over-reliance on hard power rather than soft, and hopelessly over-extended. And as a result, far less long-lived than Rome. (And, icing on cake, America finds itself bogged down in precisely the same parts of the world today...)

Don't know if the Seleucids (or the Romans, for that matter) believed their own bullshit as effectively as the Americans though. It is quite possible America comes out, historically, with the highest marks on that score. Silk, sow's ear and all that.

Nil aon leigheas ar an ngra ach posadh

by redstar on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 12:58:00 PM EST
Actually as I said.. some period during the Empire were more Republic that the Republic itself ...:)..and of course the republic was not a post-enlightment Republic...and genocides during Republic were at the order of the day...more than once (Galia and Cartago , of course come to mind..although some ibers groups could claim their role to fame..even when they did not reach the same levels of the other two).

The only bad thing about the Rome series is that the feelings are too modern to connect with the public....that's the only problem..for example,, people go around in Rome minding their own business which is flagrantly against everything we know about the public space in Rome.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 01:36:51 PM EST
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I think America is more like a modern Athens and NATO like the Delian league.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 02:25:09 PM EST
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I agree. And Iraq looks like the Sicilian Expedition...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Wed Feb 7th, 2007 at 04:44:19 PM EST
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