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Thanks for the detailed response. Up to a point I guess you're right that in a Napoleonic Code style inquisitorial system things are different. However, clearly the Italian system does assume there's a problem with in absentia trials - otherwise it wouldn't limit them to cases which pose a grave threat to national security. Instead it would allow them in all cases. And right now I'm extremely wary of the idea that defendants in cases that threaten national security should have less rights than others.  And the practical effect of just issuing an arrest warrant isn't much different from actually holding a trial. In both cases if the US is unwilling to cooperate the only sanction against the accused is that he can't travel to Europe. If the issue is getting at the truth then it can be done equally well through a government inquiry. So I don't see the compelling reason for, what is in my view, a violation of the right to a fair trial, albeit perhaps a lesser one than it would be under the US judicial system.
by MarekNYC on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 11:25:30 AM EST
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As far as I know Article 8 has been rarely invoked- and not for a danger to national security but for crimes against Italian citizens or Italian interests. The most notable cases were the trials held against members of the Argentina terror junta for Italian desaparacidos. Or in the case of the Achille Lauro in which Abu Abbas was condemned in absentia for the murder of the US citizen, Klinghofer. (The American brand of justice was to simply detain Abu Abbas in Baghdad without charges until he died.)

In the normal routine of justice on national territory trials in absentia are common in Italy, but its always by the will of the defendant. If the defendant does not show up for a hearing the judge postpones the hearing to another date. If however the defendant continues to not show up without cause, the judge declares that the defendant is in absentia and holds the defensive lawyer as representing the case. Otherwise, a trial would never go anywhere. A very well known case was the IMI-SIR trial against Previti and Berlusconi for bribery and corruption. Berlusconi chose to be defended in absentia while Previti dragged the trial out for years by concocting one excuse after another to postpone hearings. Simply because the statute of limitations never stops ticking away in Italy, unlike most nations.

Re government inquiries. Italy can institute parliamentary inquiries which have judiciary powers. Otherwise, there is no other form of inquiry for similar cases that does not directly involve the judiciary, whether civil or military.

There was a joint US-Italy inquiry in Iraq into the Calipari incident with manifest irregularities on the American part. The Italian investigators refused to sign the final report and wrote a dissenting report which was not taken into consideration. In effect they had been excluded from the key phases of the investigation.

As far as fair trials are concerned there has always been a lively discussion on which system is actually "fairer" to the defendant.

According to la  Stampa today Mario Lozano is presently on Staten Island, still with the 69th Infantry Regiment. He's put his destiny in the hands of the US military and reportedly fears a vendetta or an unfair trial. He could just as well express his version in court rather than confiding his misgivings to a media blurb. To consider Italian justice or Italians in general as motivated by vendetta is plain offensive especially confronted with a judiciary system- the American- that openly contemplates such vindictive punishments as the death penalty.

The widow of Nicola and his colleagues, as well as Giuliana Sgrena, have simply asked to find out the truth.

And if Lozano were to actually present himself before the court and eventually be found guilty after a trial? First he would get an automatic six years taken off the sentence thanks to the recent "indulgence" law. The judges would probably do a little backroom mathematics with the international scene in mind and further reduce the sentence for a variety of attenuating circumstances (first offender, clean slate, cooperative, penitent nice guy, war zone stress). At the most that would leave maybe two or three years maximum. He would be released immediately because his case would go to the appellate court. Plus, because of treaties between the States and Italy on serving time in your own nation, Lozano would go back home in no time ostensibly to serve what little time he's been meted if at all, and the case is closed. In the worst of hypothesis he'll land a contract with some PR firm.

And at the same time the offended parties would have had justice.

If instead Lozano does not wish to present himself, he'll just have to avoid visiting a considerable number of nations where he risks being arrested and extradited.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 05:30:21 PM EST
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The statute of limitations clock not stopping happens in Poland as well, I believe, with similar bad effects.  If it's a concern the law could be changed.

How does a trial in absentia work if the defendant completely ignores the court? I don't just mean not showing up, but not at all. Does the court hire a lawyer to represent his interests and tell him to mount the best defense he can, or is it like in certain civil cases in the US where you get a judgement by default?  I'm trying to figure out how you get something resembling a fair trial without having a defendant.

by MarekNYC on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 07:01:12 PM EST
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I agree that it would be very informative to discuss this. I personally do not feel qualified to defend the philosophical or legal aspects of in absentia trials. I would very much like to see this discussed by more qualified individuals.

As for in absentia trials in Italy, a defendant has the right to completely ignore his trial- a trial that can only be celebrated if he has been fully informed of when, where and why it is being held. It's a defendant's sovereign choice not to participate. Only in certain case can he/she be conducted to trial by the forces of law.

Your comment on statute of limitations. The Berlusconi government did pass a law modifying it by cutting statutes of limitation for all crimes for which he and his cohorts could be remotely accused. This has made it procedurally impossible to try a large number of crimes within the time limit. The Berlusconi government made further vexative laws such as the need to inform a person he is under investigation in a derisively small time limit. Other laws passed include reducing the time that a state witness may formulate his testimony or putting severe limits on the length of investigations.

Berlusconi practically destroyed the efficiency of the judiciary branch. (Not that it was all that efficient in the first place).

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sat Feb 10th, 2007 at 04:09:52 AM EST
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(I'll spend the next few days arguing this out with those in the know...)
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sat Feb 10th, 2007 at 04:26:21 AM EST
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I do not know about Italy, but in Sweden I think the court appoints a lawyer (which is normal procedure) and the proceedings goes on in normal fashion, without the defendant.

There is however an absolute demand that defendants has gotten informed about the proceedings. So when avoiding the law (yes, statute of limitations clock ticks on) you do not avoid the court proceedings as much as you avoid getting served.

So I guess focus is on giving defendants the possibility of assisting in their own defense, and if they choose not to, well that is their loss.

by A swedish kind of death on Sat Feb 10th, 2007 at 09:23:49 AM EST
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Italy HAS a defendant, besides a major crime case with live and dead victims.  The defendant not showing while able, causes any "unfairness" to himself.

The US is obstructing justice and has pre-emptively prejudiced the defendant´s case before hand by leaving the Italian side out of the full investigation.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sat Feb 10th, 2007 at 12:13:35 PM EST
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Italy HAS a defendant, besides a major crime case with live and dead victims.  The defendant not showing while able, causes any "unfairness" to himself.

No, that's the problem - Italy doesn't have a defendant - it has an arrest warrant out for the defendant. I really, really dislike this idea that somehow the state's burden is lessened if the defendant refuses to cooperate. If you're going to suggest that you don't need anybody presenting alternative theories and pointing out holes in the government's argument, why hold a trial at all? If the prosecutor thinks he is guilty, and he won't cooperate, skip the trial altogether.  

The US is obstructing justice and has pre-emptively prejudiced the defendant´s case before hand by leaving the Italian side out of the full investigation.

 Are you suggesting that the US is holding back exculpatory evidence of Lonzano's innocence? On the other hand if the evidence they have would hurt his case they're helping him. Think of it on individual terms - if I saw a person commit a murder and I refuse to testify in that person's trial I  may be obstructing justice, but I'm certainly not hurting that person's chances of getting off. I'm only hurting him if he's innocent. So if you believe that the US government is hurting Lonzano's case, that presumes that he isn't guilty.

by MarekNYC on Sat Feb 10th, 2007 at 02:40:24 PM EST
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and it looked to me like the U.S. was most interested in whitewashing Lozano's superiors' incompetence and depraved indifference to human life. Lozano was exhausted and confused and should never have 'been commanding the alleged "checkpoint" in the first place. And no one ever got to the bottom of whether or not the Americans knew that Calipari and Sgrena were going to the airport that night.
by Matt in NYC on Sat Feb 10th, 2007 at 04:43:29 PM EST
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