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"the public" doesn't want to be listened to, but they want an authority

Question : isn't this statement a little condescending, indeed elitist?

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 08:41:32 AM EST
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Is the statement contradicted by the poll afew quotes?

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 08:43:49 AM EST
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Do you build your vision of the people from the polls ?

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 08:47:09 AM EST
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Among other things. That over half of Socialist sympathisers don't like Segolene's strategy is a bit damning.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 08:50:02 AM EST
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Sorry, I read the 58% in the wrong direction. But what this says to me is that 40% of French Socialists lean authoritarian.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 08:51:13 AM EST
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It's interesting to note that Royal got around 60% in the Socialist primary, and here a similar score likes her campaign style.

Of course, the voters in the primary were PS members, and here it's self-identified "sympathisers". Still it may be that lingering resistance on the part of DSK/Fabius/Jospin supporters may explain the 40%, rather than an objection to participative methods. (OK, they may also be, at least partly, people who prefer an authoritarian daddy-figure).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 10:00:57 AM EST
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On this, I agree with you, but jumping from this to the statement you made is a bit too hasty in my view. Knowing your love for scientific rigour, which I share, I am surprised you don't take this kind of polls with a barrowful of salt...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 08:56:07 AM EST
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The most unfortunate thing is that the more I find out about 'the people', the more condescending and elitist I become. I think this is a common leftist problem. This is why I support A Very Elitist Revolution™. I don't think I could put up with the populist one.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 08:55:16 AM EST
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Surprisingly, the more I come to know "the people" - my job has made me work with all kinds of people - and, above all, the more I come to know the "élites" whether business, political or cultural, - and I know a few of them - the less elitist I become...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 09:07:19 AM EST
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The question, as always, is whether the "system" keeps people honest and encourages decency rather than graft.

Mass education, and mass media are playing havoc with the old regulatory mechanisms, creating a lot of confusion - and a lot of opportunities for dishonest people at all levels.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 09:40:56 AM EST
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I think nowadays elite (in the good sense) is anybody which understand how the dynamics of power play out.
The ones Who understands who has power and why in your surroundings.

Being elite in the bad sense is being one of those with power and money.. being the elite in the good sense is just knowing what is going around you.

I love the good elite.. the others, both non-elite and elite+elite.. well I decide my opinion in a case by case basis :)

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 09:56:01 AM EST
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This topic really needs a diary of its own!
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 10:54:14 AM EST
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what???? :)

It is just my personal categorization of things....
I sometimes like to introduce it when someone uses the standard version.... je jeej

But thanks in any case.

a pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 11:08:59 AM EST
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i second ThatBritGuy.  the issue of the function and formation of elites (and, relatedly, intellectuals) in society is one that has come up, at least for me, over and over reading this website.  and it is not an idle topic politically, having implications about power and equality in society at large.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 12:13:37 PM EST
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I see...

yes, I understand now.. a diary not about my particular definition but about the notion.. yeah .. you two are right.. it seems worthy of a diary.. but I do nto think I have the knowledge of the elite to do it...

I am sure here there are other people more fit to do the diary :) Iam not an elite+elite :)

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 12:23:26 PM EST
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here: The difference between being arrogant and matter-of-fact?


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 12:27:18 PM EST
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