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It's one thing to change something and quite another to attain power.

Not only "the public" wants a charismatic authority figure who agrees with them. One hears regular yearning for leadership even over here on ET, supposed home of the anti-authoritarian left.

Does democracy not look pretty pale around your parts?

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 09:30:24 AM EST
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ET, supposed home of the anti-authoritarian left.

I suppose I find it a high form of praise that the anti-authoritarian left finds ET its "home" despite the fact that I never hide my leanings towards technocratic (and implicitly elitist) solutions...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 09:38:40 AM EST
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You are, after all, an extreme point of the ET political spectrum on the libertarian right edge...

You're the highest point in that little cluster on the lower right.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 09:43:19 AM EST
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regular yearning for leadership

I suppose you'll find examples if I object, but, frankly, I don't know what you're talking about.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 09:42:32 AM EST
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How many times have people said "what we need is a leader?".

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 09:44:11 AM EST
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I can't think of a single example.

More generally, I see the evidence every day that this place is far more influenced by a collaborative ethos than by top-down authority.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 09:54:56 AM EST
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But this place has a frightening concentration of PhDs, who are - at least - used to various kinds of collaborative working.

And even then we still have occasional problems deciding practical stuff.

I don't think all of the population is authoritarian. But I think enough of the population is for it to be considered a powerful swing-vote influence on democracy.

In the UK at least, most of the population feels utterly disenfranchised and cynical, to the point where even if someone with charisma and genuine integrity appeared in an election race, the reaction would 'Yeah - whatever.'

I don't know enough about France to understand how participatory democracy is over there.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 10:50:13 AM EST
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Have we actually ran a poll of educational attainment in a diary yet?

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 10:52:44 AM EST
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Absolutely and completely and utterly wholly..agree with you.

I would say it is nto only your impresion.. it has been proved in serious research (not the kind of pshycho-socio bubble or babble in the media). I would need a link to support tht stuff. I know

There is research about the rate of population and their power narratives... and the authoritative figure or the "once-in-a-while shove it" figure is really relevant for a part of the electorate who votes.

it is really important to recall that the authoritative figure must not be confused with the dictature figure of the only-one--leader-my-way-or-the-high-way Franco/mussolini/stalin style. They are compeltely different. In a sense, somehow opposite.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 11:14:39 AM EST
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It's one thing to change something and quite another to attain power.

It would be good if you'd tease this thinking out into a diary when you have the time and the inclination.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 04:45:44 PM EST
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I had a thought about this today.

Basically, if you want to attain power in a modern democracy you'll be most successful by adopting positions which fall more or less on the median of voters' opinions. On the other hand, if you want to influence discourse you will have to adopt an extreme opinion. The more extreme, the smaller the size of your immediate sympathetic audience, but the larger the strength and clarity of your message. There's likely to be an optimum balance somewhere. You are most likely to have an impact on actually changing things if you are centrist enough to be in a group that actually attains power and you have some influence within that.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 16th, 2007 at 10:08:53 AM EST
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