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  1. You are right that slinging words like "fascism" around is not productive. However, Sarkozy's current swing to the far right, in particular with the deliberate  reminder of Vichy implicit in the "Ministry of Immigration and National Identity", certainly provokes the "f----" taunt. He knows what he is doing and is fishing for extreme-right votes, so presumably any tears he may shed about being called a fascist will be crocodile tears. As to whether you should be called a fascist if you vote for him, it's rather up to your conscience to decide.
  2. Yes, it's hard to track the programmes and propositions, since they're not always explicit, or, when they are, new policy proposals may surface, or old ones sink, as the campaign liner sails ahead (please admire metaphor). But, as far as I know, Royal doesn't propose to make the unemployed work - see the relevant page of her propositions, where the nearest thing to it is that young people would be personally monitored and, after six months without a job, given either vocational training or one of the "youth jobs" she wants to create 500,000 of (along the lines of the last PS government, I suppose).

    Bayrou's offer is to have all long-term unemployed (he speaks of the RMI, the social minimum benefit) work in jobs useful to the community. He cloaks this in language to do with his village, forgetting most people don't live in villages, but in much more abrasive environments. He doesn't offer any major financing for his plan, either. He has a tendency to go in for Café du Commerce proposals like this, that you can hear anywhere but which don't really betray much thought.

    I think the difference between Royal and Bayrou is significant here.

  3. The "ecology" tag is not absolute. I'm aware that it's much more solidly pinned to Voynet and Bové than Royal. However, I think it's important, and worth underlining, that Royal represents a break-away from the traditional productivism of the PS, and that's why I brought her into the "ecology" group.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Mar 20th, 2007 at 05:22:54 AM EST
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My understanding is that you have to go for the youth job or forsake further unemployment aide. It does not go as far as Bayrou's plan (whatever it is worth), but I think it is important to point it out because it is a real change in the unemployment regime as it imposes reciprocal obligations on the recipient of aide.

Personnaly I like the idea, and I think only a left wing politician will be able to implement it becasue it will be quite controversial. It could go hand-in-hand with an improvement in the benefits handed out  in order to make it more palatable (I give you more, but you need to do something about it).

And thanks for the detailed and substantiated response.

'La fin désastreuse a répondu aux moyens indignes' Germain Tillion

by Rom on Tue Mar 20th, 2007 at 05:47:23 AM EST
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Well, Royal presents it as a right rather than an obligation: either training/tutoring or a youth job. Everything, imo, hinges on the quality of training, the quality of youth jobs - and therefore the financing of the whole system. If it's done properly, I think it could be useful.

I honestly think Bayrou's proposal is demagogic. I wish I had a euro for every time I've heard someone ask why those on the RMI (minimum benefit) aren't forced to "work for it" by sweeping the streets etc. That's not quite what he says, but I think he's casting his hook in those waters.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Mar 20th, 2007 at 06:00:21 AM EST
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This program, called "Workfare" in the United States is basically a disaster without employee protections.  It has led to cases where parents must travel by bus to two or three jobs for the same money they received before, leaving kids unattended, etc.

It is essentially welfare for corporations that pay the minimum wage.

by paving on Tue Mar 20th, 2007 at 03:57:22 PM EST
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in addition to providing cheap and compliant labor, it's also been great for reducing the unemployment statistics.
by Jett on Tue Mar 20th, 2007 at 06:53:42 PM EST
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These measures further the social and institutional oppression on the poor and the jobless.

For example, see (french) what the government is allowed to do when someone is on the RMI.

More and more, it is considered normal for the government to intrudes into the lives of those needing help. That's part of the development of contractual and individualised help, where instead of giving general help to those in need (in need only because the current organisation of capitalism requires a certain amount of jobless people to function, and produces them if need be), the poor has to forsake dignity, showing all the aspects of his life to the "Assistante Sociale" and beg for help. All this social control is in the name of finding those that abuse the system... But the financial cause of this abuse is much lower of course than that of people and companies not paying their taxes

Of course, the side effect of the RMA, giving very cheap labor to private companies or even non-profit or institutional employers, is to further depress the labor market.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misčres

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Mar 20th, 2007 at 07:53:41 AM EST
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