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I'm reading an economics textbook that claims that the business cycle consists of recession and expansion, and that "expansion is the normal state of the economy" while recession is abnormal.
I guess we could write a book on this one, but clearly there are periods of economic history where expansion has not been the normal state--certainly the dark ages is a great example.  but in the US anyway we have had one recession in the last 16 years, and it was a minor one (though brutal for those that fell into the trap of the technology stock market bubble--but minor in terms of jobs).  Odd that period covers 8 years of Clintons and 8 years of Bush's, so I find it hard to put a real political spin on it--in fact history shows Democrats (clintons) lead to better stock market performance and wealth enhancement!

I think I would enjoy having a drink with migeru, but I think as we toasted each other my glass might be half full, and his half empty.  Which reminds me Migeru, you are obviously an economist at heart.

by wchurchill on Sun Mar 4th, 2007 at 04:34:38 AM EST
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Well, if you're ever in London...

Regarding the "normal state of the economy" and cycles, we had a discussion here of cycles in the UK housing market, and made the point that measuring growth rates "peak-to-peak", "trough-to-trough" and "trough-to-peak" give so widely different results that one has to be very careful in reasoning about these things. But the point is that what's "normal" is the business cycle, not any part of it. And if the latest US recession was minor, the recovery has been slow and "jobless". So maybe the business cycle is getting less pronounced, but that also means slower growth on the expansion side. [By the way, my "prediction" in that thread has already failed, in that the price index we had been discussing is growing again after plateauing for about 2 years, breaking any possibility of extrapolating past behaviour beyond the plateau]

And that is assuming that, long-term, the 3% growth rate is not an expansion phase of a very long business cycle with a pronounced collapse at either end. When people say complete collapse of our economic system cannot happen, I cannot but think of the end of the Roman Empire, or the 14th century in Europe. It has happened before and it could happen again.

As for the bit I paraphrase from the economics text I'm reading, I was reminded of reading Goldstein's classic Mechanics book, where he discusses phase diagrams of the harmonic oscillator and bifurcations, and he has the howler that "fortunately, bifurcations are rare in practice". That was one of the biggest blind spots of classical mechanics, as was discovered in the 1960's and 70's, shortly after the book was published.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 4th, 2007 at 04:54:43 AM EST
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Well, if you're ever in London...
well next time in London may be a little far off,,,,but,,,,Drew owes me a pint, and he will, I'm sure, include you and your wife in that hosting, and I'll be happy to host the dinner when that time comes.  but as much as I love europe, my business schedule won't get me there until summer of '08--and that is (gasp) paris--<snark on the gasp>.  mais,  le plus ca change,,,,,qui sais?
by wchurchill on Sun Mar 4th, 2007 at 05:18:06 AM EST
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So maybe the business cycle is getting less pronounced, but that also means slower growth on the expansion side.

But that's not what has occurred, in truth.  The Clinton expansion was the fastest (and longest) peacetime expansion in history.  The Reagan expansion comes in at No. 2 or 3 -- its competitor being the Kennedy/Johnson one.  Despite the moderation in business cycles that we've seen since the Depression, growth rates have generally been a bit faster, with the exception of (I can only assume) the '70s.

Even taking the Bush II expansion, growth has not been very weak.  Job growth really blows compared with the Clinton years, but, to be fair, comparing those two expansions is a bit like comparing Mike Tyson with Muhammed Ali.

(Write your own Tyson-Bush joke.)

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Mar 4th, 2007 at 05:22:52 AM EST
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