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There are definitely drops in volume.  There is no question there is a housing slowdown--everyone has been predicting one for close to a year now, and we have been certainly in it for a while.

The question is will it be a housing crash, with prices dropping 20% or more and the impact carrying over to start an overall recession.  Or is it more in the vein of the ups and downs of the housing market.

This is not a report I normally use, but it just appeared in my regular headline search of business and investing news.  I am as I said a little suprised with this data, in that it doesn't show some drop in pricing.  I would be very interested in other data, of course.

by wchurchill on Sat Mar 3rd, 2007 at 12:04:37 PM EST
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When sales volume drops, continued growth in mean sales price is consistent with a fall in mean market valuation. A seller who expects rapid appreciation but receives only shockingly low offers will be unlikely to transact. Because of this expectation-based selection effect on transactions, sales prices can continue to rise (though at a decelerating rate), despite a drop in mean market valuation. A decline in sales volume despite an abundance of would-be sellers would suggest that this bias mechanism is operating.

There is some spiral causation here: Reports that sales prices still edging up will reinforce a seller's judgement that low offers should be rejected, which in turn will bias the statistics upward.

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by technopolitical on Sat Mar 3rd, 2007 at 09:04:19 PM EST
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yes, I agree with you, and I think your description of this process is an excellent one.  It is what happens in a housing slowdown.  

But a housing crash, is a step beyond a slowdown.  Some people are in a position where they don't have to sell, in a housing slowdown, and they just take their house off the market.  So unit sales drop, but prices don't.  A housing crash lasts longer, and eventually people have to sell, and to sell they have to lower their price.  I've been in housing crashes, and condo prices fall 30--40%, while home prices fall 20--25%.  And it's possible that this still may turn into the housing crash that Jerome and others have been predicting.  I'm just surprised that this far into the slowdown, that we haven't seen even a dip in housing prices.  So this enforces my belief that we are not going to have a "crash", but simply a "slowdown", and perhaps a milder slowdown than I, with my optimistic outlook, would have thought.  and no housing led recession.

by wchurchill on Sun Mar 4th, 2007 at 02:20:34 AM EST
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Regarding predictions of a crash (as distinct from predicting the time of a crash), a good pair of questions may be:

  1. Is there a major housing bubble?
  2. Have major housing bubbles consistently ended in crashes?

Regarding (1), A friend of mine who experienced the Hong Kong bubble (and crash) says that the bubble pattern in the U.S. is very strong. For example, aside from conventional statistics, one sees many people leaving professional-level jobs to become real estate agents. It is hard to see what new, real factors now justify this reallocation and re-training of skilled labour.

Also regarding (1), a striking graph (thumbnail):

Regarding (2), an example of a crashless end to a comparable situation would be interesting.

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by technopolitical on Sun Mar 4th, 2007 at 03:39:52 PM EST
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look at Jerome's last graph on housing affordability, UK and US.  How would you answer your two questions for the UK?

would you expect the UK and US housing markets to behave differently?

by wchurchill on Sun Mar 4th, 2007 at 04:07:56 PM EST
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I'd answer that it looks like the UK had a very nice bubble-and-crash in the late 1980s, and is now in the bubble phase of another, bigger one. (Real-estate crashes have less precipitate slopes than stock market crashes, of course, because of illiquidity, the inertia of occupancy, etc., etc.)

It's odd that the graphs compare UK means to US medians. The U.S. National Association of Realtors no doubt prefers the appearance of graphs that use the median.

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by technopolitical on Mon Mar 5th, 2007 at 04:45:43 AM EST
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