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I'd be careful there, wc.  Krugman was predicting the Dot-Com Crash long before it happened.  He's also been chanting about the housing market for quite some time, and now we've got Greenspan essentially providing a moderate-sounding version of Krugman's statements, only a few years later.  Not being right immediately doesn't imply being completely wrong, as anyone who works in forecasting, yourself included, knows.

The question of "When?" certain factors move, and produce their basic macroeconomic effects, is a guessing game of months and sometimes even a couple of years, but I'd say Krugman has the fundamental points roughly correct.  Whether it turns into a large enough fall to cause recession, I don't know, but it's abundantly clear that it is causing a fall.  Our solid 3.5% Q4 growth was, as you know, revised to only a bit over 2%.  This is anemic for an economy that should be turning in 3-4% annual rates.  And the economy's average growth rate has been quite weak -- nearly a full percentage point lower than the Clinton years -- over the cycle.

My prediction, as you know, was for a recession in late-'06 or early-'07, if I remember correctly.  It looks like mid- to late-'07 would be the smart bet, if people are going to bet on recession.

So far, the only thing Krugman has been wrong about is the recession, but one must stress the So far... in that.  Housing busts tend to be nasty.  Oil prices could well rise this summer, especially as Hurricane Season gets moving.  So we are, by no stretch of the imagination, out of the woods.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Mar 3rd, 2007 at 02:45:53 PM EST
Let's not forget that industrial production figures came in showing contraction, as well.  Were it not for demand in the service sector, we'd already be in a recession, as Brad DeLong pointed out.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Mar 3rd, 2007 at 02:48:55 PM EST
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true, but don't forget Drew that we are moving very much toward a service economy,,,and not a manufacturing economy.  Not service in the pejorative sense of flipping McDonald hamburgers, but in the sense of things like investment banking, financial advisors, private equity, venture capital,,,the services side of health care.  Even for businesses that have a large manufacturing component like medical devices, we do the clinical discovery, the R&D, managing of clinical trials, the market launch in the US,,,,but the manufacturing is moved offshore when the product design is stable.  
by wchurchill on Sun Mar 4th, 2007 at 02:34:40 AM EST
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Nothin' to argue against in that.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Mar 4th, 2007 at 04:59:42 AM EST
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methinks you are seeing an opening for a chance at that pint.  we'll see.  I was expecting the slowdown, it was in the cards with all the rate hikes.  I don't think it will be a recession, but it's your best shot in a while.  Bernanke could have raised rates one or two times too many.  but your comments on the economy are very good.  and you're right that there is always the chance of an outside event propelling a not strong economy further downward--a Katrina, or terrorist attack, or something like that.

the only think about the time span comments on Krugman is that you've can't cut him too much slack on timing.  I mean, there is going to be a recession sometime.  so if he keeps saying it, he's eventually going to be right.

by wchurchill on Sat Mar 3rd, 2007 at 03:10:09 PM EST
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