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I'm not sure economic cycles have anything intrinsic to do with capitalism. All you need is delayed feedback to produce boom-bust behaviour.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 20th, 2007 at 10:19:33 AM EST
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I was looking at Kondratiev waves

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondratiev_wave

and wondering to what extent we are seeing credit financing the creation of new waves of technology to give the upswing followed by periods of repayment of the debt (and hence monetary contraction in a deficit-based monetary system) from the revenues from the new generation of productive assets, on the downswing.

So cycles - bounded by the mathematics of compound interest on the money supply - would be intrinsic to our current - deficit-based - form of Capitalism.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Mar 20th, 2007 at 11:22:12 AM EST
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I am saying I don't believe the cycles would go away if you removed debt, because of the delayed feedback involved in the economic system in any event.

As to the severity and character of the cycles, sure.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 20th, 2007 at 11:28:05 AM EST
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Capitalism seems to "thrive" on instabilities. Libertarians just do not accept any damping measures. They hail GDP growth as the holy grail. As for crisises - well, they are swift but rare and short.

In particular, experienced stock traders are surely aware of Ponzi modes in one way or other. Taking benefit from that must be a usual buisiness for them. Predicting moods of new market players is even an easier task than estimating "intrinsic" value of companies. (This is akin to the job of bookmakers: they do not really predict sport events; they just have to predict moods of participating betters. If they force bets to be distributed evenly, bookmakers win their daily bread with any outcome of the sport event.)

by das monde on Tue Mar 20th, 2007 at 08:57:17 PM EST
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Bookmakers don't need to force bets to be distributed evenly: they just need to continually adjust the odds to respond to the changing mood of the bettors.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 02:25:18 AM EST
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