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That answers one of the questions. Because in the UK we have a fairly complicated situation that requires court orders and bailiffs.

The local police aren't part of the process. So there would be a certain level of inertia in the UK which might not be present in the US.

I suspect the lending network is more closely consolidated and tied to the big-league banks. There are doubtless some micro-lenders, but generally if you take out a mortgage you're dealing with a household name for whom mortgage lending is a significant but not overwhelming income source.

The banks won't fail. They may suffer much lower profitability for a few years, but in the UK they can easily afford that.

I think we may see a 20-30% price drop here, maybe 40-50% if lots of other bad things happen at the same time. That would leave maybe half (rough guess...) of the market with some equity.

Total wipe-out seems much likelier in the US than here. We do have low-cost blighted areas, but we don't really have anywhere like Detroit where everyone is heading for the hills.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Mar 21st, 2007 at 12:36:12 PM EST
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Our banks will not fail. Have you noticed how much profit the likes of MS, GS, Citi and the others have been making?  They can take pretty big hit in the mortgage area without harming shareholder equity much.

It's the sub prime firms that are toast.  Those guys thought they were on easy street and will have all their equity evaporate.  After their equity is gone, the rest of the loss will belong to investors who have mortgage backed securities in their portfolios because they were greedy for yield.  People forget risk/reward does really mean RISK/reward.  The intermediaries like MS will have to eat a little, but not much.  They have good lawyers and wrote the rules of the game.

Very few homeowners are truly exposed to a wipeout.  Most of us just sat by watching a paper profit make our houses double or triple in value.  If it then peels back, big deal.  The fear is that the debt binge fueled by people that borrowed against their equity to buy fancy cars and European vacations will hit the overall economy and trigger a recession.  That could be, but it is overdue and probably needs to happen to bring the system back to a more stable position.

My guess is all those empty houses will end up occupied by the same people that owned them.  Just as renters which is what they should have been in the first place.

by HiD on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 06:26:40 AM EST
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I personally would like to see the buy-to-let speculators eat their investments. Leeches.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 06:30:06 AM EST
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I feel no pain for people who were just trying to grab a quick buck speculating.  I toured my first flipper blow up on sunday.  I can see it from my office.  The debt is now $3.6 million and it's to go on the courthouse steps shortly.  It's an ok house right on the ocean, but waaaaaaaaaaay over valued in my opinion.  Some a-hole bet on the come, over leveraged and will now lose whatever he/she invested in the project along with the ding dong that loaned him/her money.  

I do feel bad for marginal buyers who were conned into buying houses they couldn't really afford at real interest rates.  Those teaser rates to con people out of their down payment or closing cost fees are criminal.  perhaps we should ban any loan to a homeowner without a fixed interest of at least 5 years??
And 100% loans to owner occupied units should only come from govt agencies such that buyers get as much slack as possible to recover from income hiccups.

by HiD on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 06:47:58 AM EST
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the debt binge fueled by people that borrowed against their equity to buy fancy cars and European vacations

Now we know how Europe manages to survive - debt-fuelled American tourism! :-)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 07:41:54 AM EST
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what 3 weeks in Italy last year cost us.  And we stayed in 3 star or less hotels. Ouch.

but we didn't borrow to do it.  My BIL on the other hand has 3 vehicles, a travel trailer, motorcycles, every tool imaginable (and only magnesium cases to save weight).  How does he do it?  He was in debt up to his eyeballs as the cheezy commercial goes.  Spent virtually all of the $400K his house price ran up.  But at least they sold and didn't get stuck with it.

I see plenty of friends who complain about debt loads driving vehicles that cost $50K.  boo hoo hoo is what I'm thinking behind the smile and the nod.

by HiD on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 07:25:37 PM EST
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