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extent your anti-Americanism?   A column questioning American economic policy is a STUNNING INDICTMENT, while a column by the Economist or the FT regarding a hint of criticism of France is , aghast, an ignorant attack by the NeoCons.

And on top of that

It's a stunning indictment of the monetary policy of the Fed over the Bush years.
,,,,didn't Greenspan serve during Bush I, Clinton for 8 years, Bush II.  Like there was no technology bubble in Clinton's years?  

I am submitting your CV to Murdoch and attaching this hyperbole.  I think he'll be calling you in the next few days.

by wchurchill on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 12:59:21 AM EST

didn't Greenspan serve during Bush I, Clinton for 8 years, Bush II.  Like there was no technology bubble in Clinton's years?  

The big difference is that there were shrinking budget deficits (and then surpluses) during the dotcom bubble, and growing incomes for all. But I agree that the "bubbly" side if Greenspan was already visible then. The only difference is that letting the first bubble (dotcom) grow could be attributed to something other than malicious policy (hesitation to burst a party in the middle of obvious technological change), whereas the next bubbles, from 2002 onwards, are part of a clear and consistent policy framework. The runaway budget deficits should never have been supported to the extent they were, and the low, low interest rates were on their face criminal considering the scale of asset price appreciation that took place.

As to France vs US economy point, you'll note that the WSK Op-Ed pages are systematic cheerleaders of the US economic model (and bashers of the French one), so a column in these pages fundamentally criticising that US model is, yes, stunning, whereas a critique of the French model in these same pages is par for the course.

And if you fail to see any criticism of France on a regular basis in what I write, you are not reading carefully.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 01:36:30 AM EST
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huh?
The big difference is that there were shrinking budget deficits (and then surpluses) during the dotcom bubble, and growing incomes for all. But I agree that the "bubbly" side if Greenspan was already visible then. The only difference is that letting the first bubble (dotcom) grow could be attributed to something other than malicious policy (hesitation to burst a party in the middle of obvious technological change), whereas the next bubbles, from 2002 onwards, are part of a clear and consistent policy framework. The runaway budget deficits should never have been supported to the extent they were, and the low, low interest rates were on their face criminal considering the scale of asset price appreciation that took place.
This must be a joke,,,,this comment is really absurd.  

And if you fail to see any criticism of France on a regular basis in what I write, you are not reading carefully.
And maybe you could provide five examples of such criticism.
by wchurchill on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 03:44:55 AM EST
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Jerome is not a homer.  
by HiD on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 06:35:26 AM EST
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what's wrong with honesty?  jerome criticizes anything american, and defends anythhig french.  c'est ca!
by wchurchill on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 06:53:16 AM EST
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nope. far far to Faux News oversimplified.  

he points out the hypocrisy of the American and British financial press and their selective use of data to fit pre-conceived notions/political agenda.  He also criticizes the French govt where he disagrees with them.
He's far more balanced than the WSJ or CNBC clones.

by HiD on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 08:41:44 AM EST
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This must be a joke,,,,this comment is really absurd.  

Would you care to argument that?


The big difference is that there were shrinking budget deficits (and then surpluses) during the dotcom bubble, and growing incomes for all.

Is this false in any way?


The only difference is that letting the first bubble (dotcom) grow could be attributed to something other than malicious policy (hesitation to burst a party in the middle of obvious technological change), whereas the next bubbles, from 2002 onwards, are part of a clear and consistent policy framework.

I was being nice to Greenspan with the first bubble, but I'll be happy to indict him for that one too. Clinton did the budget bit, and he did reduce that. As to Greenspan's policy after 2002, look at the quotes provided lower in the thread (where Greenspan brags about dealing with the consequences of the dot com crash) and look at his highly supportive comments for the Bush tax cuts, despite their obvious impact on the budget deficit.


The runaway budget deficits should never have been supported to the extent they were, and the low, low interest rates were on their face criminal considering the scale of asset price appreciation that took place.

Again, I'd be interested to see you argue on the substance of that sentence. Do you think the budget deficits were reasonable? Do you think the 1% fed rate was justified for as long as it was? Do you think asset prices are not overvalued right now?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 10:21:09 AM EST
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  • does criticism of European energy policy (or the lack thereof) count?

  • does criticism of the lack of spine of our governments in dealing with renditions, airline information confidentiality, NATO expansiveness count?

  • does criticism of the disaster that was president Chirac count?

  • does criticism of the French elites that fail to defend what they built only a few years or decades earlier count?

  • does criticism of the CAP count?

And that's just off the top of my head.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 10:25:17 AM EST
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au revoir, mon ami.  c'etait tres proche, trop proche.
by wchurchill on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 02:14:50 PM EST
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What do you mean? Did I offend you somehow?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 03:45:55 PM EST
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no, not at all.  all the best my friend.  It's a great blog and your leadership is truely wonderful.
by wchurchill on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 04:19:16 PM EST
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That column is not, in your view, an indictment? Is it not stunning, coming as it does from the WSJ Op-Ed pages, an outlet extremely well known for a quite different point of view?

An ignorant attack by the NeoCons? Where are you getting that language from? Not from Jérôme's objections to FT articles, certainly. You made it up yourself. If anyone is guilty of rhetorical exaggeration, you are.

It's probably a waste of time pointing this out, but what we object to in the FT is mostly the peddling of conventional wisdom about markets and "reform". It would be inexact to say that America has nothing to do with this - by and large, corporate America promotes free-market ideology in the world and the American economy is held up as an example to follow - but the focal drive of our comments is opposition to market fundamentalism, not anti-Americanism.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 04:49:54 AM EST
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you miss my point afew.  I was saying that for jerome, anything negative about America is stunning, and insightful.  While if the FT or the Economist takes a different point of view regarding France, it's a Neocon attack.  Go back to Sept 2005 and you'll find Jerome and others railing about the US budget deficit.  and the horrible impending outcome.  Now it's the high risk people borrowing money to buy their homes.  And whoa to be to us because the price per barrel of oil if going to be $100/barrell.  
well do you or jerome realize that missing a forecast by 40% just doesn't allow you to preach to all of us.  What the f,,,,?  Maybe you could tell us something that might actually happen????
by wchurchill on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 06:47:23 AM EST
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I was saying that for jerome, anything negative about America is stunning, and insightful.  While if the FT or the Economist takes a different point of view regarding France, it's a Neocon attack.

Well, you miss my point. The sweeping generalisation of "anything negative about America" and the language of "a Neocon attack" are precisely what I was taking issue with - and accusing you of rhetorical exaggeration. Read what I said about what we argue against in the FT or the Economist. It's not America per se, and it's not neocons (who, btw, would be associated rather with foreign policy and warfare than the economy), but the free-market, or laissez-faire, ideology.

Now, insofar as the American economy is held up as an example of the virtuous working of that ideology, it seems perfectly justifiable to disagree and point to problems. You seem to react to that as "anti-Americanism", and you seem to think that criticisms of the American economy are to be proved or disproved as if they were forecasts, or market calls. (Though this isn't a financial market, it's a discussion forum.) Just because there has been no major crunch to date does not disprove that the American economy may be fuelled by dangerous levels of debt. That view is held by many qualified people, Americans among them, and it seems a perfectly respectable view to me.

You also take a very narrow view of the $100 oil series. The whole point of that was, again, not to make a market call, but to publicize the notion that the era of cheap oil was coming to an end. Do you dispute that notion? In any case, you misinterpret completely - woe would be to you, meaning Americans? It's the whole damn planet that's concerned here, we're all in this together. It's not, as you seem to believe, another scurvy attack on America.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 08:31:08 AM EST
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re-read perhaps

what I got out of that was that it was shocking to see this on the  WSJ opinion page (Cheerleader central) compared to their usual one sided rubbish.  The paper is great, but the opinion page is an exercise in fellatio of all things Republican/American 99% of the time.  

Some of his rhetoric is a bit overheated I'd say, and his conclusions a bit on the "to the barricades" side for me, but I don't see this one sided viewpoint you do.

As for the "preaching" crack and what follows -- manners count.  

by HiD on Thu Mar 22nd, 2007 at 08:50:33 AM EST
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