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Do you really expect business to pay more voluntarily?

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Mar 26th, 2007 at 05:38:35 PM EST
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Perhaps you were just snarking, but that was only part of the problem at where I was - there was a general tendency to consider third stream (industry funded) money to be dirty and morally objectionable. Research should come from the state, period. End of story.

Except of course, if the money came from Shell. Then it'd be alright. (!!)

So I would not be surprised if some of that particular culture is more pervasive within Europe - but this is a question I have which I've not researched and is extremely hard to research sitting behind a computer in South Africa.

by Nomad on Tue Mar 27th, 2007 at 02:23:06 AM EST
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The problem with accepting non-charity money from a for-profit organisation is that it generally comes with intellectual strings attached.

So, yes, maybe private businesses will find it in their hearts to put money into an independent research trust, but I don't think it's likely.

If a researcher wants to consult or be employed with a private business, fine, but university funding shouldn't depend on that.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 27th, 2007 at 02:50:06 AM EST
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the TU Eindhoven and the TU Twente? That to me are two good examples of what can happen when industry and university research start co-operating successfully. They do some really neat stuff there - and are big in the patents. It looks definitely win-win - but they are not "classic" Dutch universities.

I agree that a university funding for research should not depend solely on private business funding. Which is why it should remain third stream money.

Migeru:

The problem with accepting non-charity money from a for-profit organisation is that it generally comes with intellectual strings attached.

Let me answer that one over three years...

by Nomad on Tue Mar 27th, 2007 at 04:01:15 AM EST
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No, I didn't know about those, but I did know about RIM's Mike Lazaridis funding the Perimeter Institute by endowing a $100M fund. But this is a "charitable" contribution into a trust, and neither RIM nor Lazaridis have any levers to affect the research that is carried out.

But it doesn't happen often.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 27th, 2007 at 04:58:39 AM EST
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Sure. Just call it part of corporate social responsibility.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Mar 27th, 2007 at 02:58:02 AM EST
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