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You're going to have to be a bit more specific about what happened 7k-10k years ago, and especially what social organisation was like before "kings and armies".

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 6th, 2007 at 09:45:22 AM EST
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It's my impression that first there was a village organization, then the introduction of somewhat larger agglomerations with permanent dwellings, a somewhat larger population, intensive agriculture, but no walls yet. And then something happened. The domestication of the horse, invention of bronze weapons, population pressure, I don't know.
After this we find walls, very hierarchical societies, kings, priestly religions, organized conquest and so forth. The present era, in other words. And I think we ahve to recognize that this is a particular historical phase we are passing through (hopefully) in order to combat the ills it brings, save the benefits, and bring about change.
by bil on Tue Mar 6th, 2007 at 10:07:55 AM EST
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Well, the domestication of the horse is a Eurasian phenomenon (actually excluding South Asia) and happened quite late (4000 to 2000 BC) in comparison to your 8000 BC - 5000 BC transition period. I suppose you really intended to refer to the Bronze Age?

(legend for the map here)

Agriculture did develop between 10000 and 5000 BC.

The earliest known wall is in Jericho and dates from the 8th millennium BC:

Pre-Pottery Neolithic A, 8350 BC to 7370 BC. Sometimes it is called Sultanian. The site is a 40,000 square metre settlement surrounded by a stone wall, with a stone tower in the centre of one wall. This is so far the oldest wall ever to be discovered, thus suggesting some kind of social organization, even if based on charisma. The town contained round mud-brick houses, yet no street planning. The 400-2000 dwellers used domesticated emmer wheat, barley and pulses and hunted wild animals.

The difference between a town and a city seems to be division of labour and organised government, and the first cities seem to date from the Bronze age (e.g., Mohenjo-Daro). But metalworking (copper) is much older than that, so apparently that didn't require or lead to complex social organisation or division of labour?

Now, to call the last 5000 to 10000 years "a particular historical phase" seems a bit much. And consider that "kings" were replaced by "republics" in various places around 500 BC. Though maybe by "kings and armies" you meant "states" (see the map above).

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 6th, 2007 at 10:49:45 AM EST
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The republics in turn replaced by kings. And coming down to the present where the most we have progressed to is an oligarchy held in precarious check by some proto-democratic institutions.
But the point I think I am trying to make is that, yes, what we call states are still variants of the original king & army, with supporting religious belief that we have had for the past 8, 10 thousand years or so. And it's the attitudes that have been formed by those thousands of years which are hampering our progress.
Oh, and also on alpha males, it's really the betas that are the problem. They're the supporters of the regime.
by bil on Tue Mar 6th, 2007 at 04:02:17 PM EST
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...You're going to have to be a bit more specific about what happened 7k-10k years ago

Agriculture happened.

Once a food surplus is achieved you have to have a place to put it (pottery), a way of telling whose it is ("writing"), someone to keep track of it all (bureaucrats) ....

and an annual, all-together-now, 'making of the whoopie' to make sure the seeds germinate ... at least that's the excuse and

LO!

Religion is born.

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 6th, 2007 at 08:18:21 PM EST
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And agriculture happened because of the Younger Dryas event and the convenience of using cereals to avoid starvation.
When major climate change took place after the last ice age c.11,000 BC much of the earth became subject to long dry seasons. These conditions favoured annual plants which die off in the long dry season, leaving a dormant seed or tuber. These plants tended to put more energy into producing seeds than into woody growth. An abundance of readily storable wild grains and pulses enabled hunter-gatherers in some areas to form the first settled villages at this time.

The practice of agriculture first began around 8000 BC in the Fertile Crescent of Mesopotamia (part of present day Iraq, Turkey, Syria and Jordan which was then greener). This region was home to the greatest diversity of annual plants and according to one study 32 of the 56 largest grass seeds.

The first crops to be domesticated were all crops of edible seeds, wheat, barley, peas, lentils, chickpeas, bitter vetch and flax. These plants were all readily storable, easy to grow and grew quickly. They had to undergo few genetic changes to be of use to farmers, their wild relatives remaining easily recognisable to this day. Crop domestication took place independently in geographically distant human populations.

In China, rice and millet were domesticated by 7500 BC, followed by the beans mung, soy and azuki. In the Sahel region of Africa local rice and sorghum were domestic by 5000 BC. Local crops were domesticated independently in West Africa and possibly in New Guinea and Ethiopia. Three regions of the Americas independently domesticated corn, squashes, potato and sunflowers.

Humans in many different areas of the earth took up farming in what is, set against the 500,000 year age span of modern humans, a very short time. This is the most convincing evidence that global climate change, and the resultant adaptations by vegetation, were the cause of the beginning of agriculture.



"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 7th, 2007 at 04:35:15 AM EST
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