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This is going to be a hard cultural nut to crack, the anti-potlatch of deliberately wasting resources to nobody's gain, just to show off rank and status.

We'll need anthropologists for this one, but perhaps this is a cultural nut which can't be cracked, because we're still wired in the way of apes and want to pile up our hoarded bananas for all to see to gain an evolutionary advantage... Short term advantages all too often dominate over the long term disadvantage in evolution patterns.

by Nomad on Wed Mar 7th, 2007 at 01:43:28 AM EST
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When the potlach stakes get high enough, don't they go as far as to burn the stuff?

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 7th, 2007 at 01:55:44 AM EST
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I would have to go retrace some reading pathways from a decade and more ago, but my memory suggests that the "burning" potlatch was only observed after Anglo conquest of the Pac NW and sustained attempts to wipe out the first nations' languages, religions, and cultural patterns.  the ethnographer whose book I was reading at the time was of the opinion that the "burning potlatch" was a debased or corrupted form, inspired by the despair of the tribes as their land was stolen, their children forcibly taken from them and "re-educated", their sacred sites demolished or profaned, etc.   s/he read it as similar to the self-immolation practised by some Asian peoples as the ultimate statement of shame, grief and rage after defeat by an overwhelming force.

the destruction or sealing-away of goods in an intact culture is iirc more strongly associated with organised hereditary kingship, like the grave-goods of the pharaohs.  he who dies with the most toys tries to take them with him into death, selfishly ensuring that no one else will have any use or benefit from them.

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Wed Mar 7th, 2007 at 03:54:20 PM EST
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Short term advantages all too often dominate over the long term disadvantage in evolution patterns.

It's the friggin' discount rate.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 7th, 2007 at 01:59:06 AM EST
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hoarding bananas seems like a nonstarter, as they rot rather quickly in the climates where they grow naturally :-)  actually one of the synergistic processes by which we went from share/gift economy to hoarding might be found in the transition to hard grains, which can be stored for multiple seasons and remain edible...  this makes hoarding a worthwhile activity...  whereas hoarding your recently killed ground squirrel, juicy grub, or ripe fruit makes no sense.

has hoarding behaviour actually been observed among the apes?  I know that "exchanges" and gifts are well documented, with apes using gifts to sweet-talk their way into a new band or while courting a potential mate;  but hoarding I haven't read about.  the real shocker for me, a couple of decades ago, was publication of field observations of what looked like a lineal transmission of apparent status among macaques in Asia, i.e. the daughters of dominant females tending themselves to become dominant females.  hereditary ranking -- afaik -- has not been much observed in mammals.

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Wed Mar 7th, 2007 at 03:47:35 PM EST
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