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While in agreement in general with these statements, I would continue to use the term "national defense" to describe the military budget.  One could make a fair argument that the war in Iraq and similar misadventures is more "militarism", than national defense, but that is only one aspect of the national defense budget and relates less to the cost of national defense than to political decisions made by the current administration.

Clearly, the national defense budget might be trimmed somewhat if we were not involved in unnecessary conflicts all over the globe, but pure national defense is an expensive game not easily tamed when the US is not the only participant. The current angst over our ability to support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has to do with the fact that our troop levels are the lowest (1.4 million) they have been in many years.  However, the costs of troop deployment is expensive and new defense gadgets are not cheap.

I guess my point is that unless peace suddenly breaks out all over the world, defense costs will continue to be a large part of the national discretionary budget, military adventurism or not.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Fri Apr 13th, 2007 at 12:27:57 PM EST
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Well one can define "defense" however one wishes, but I think it is a stretch to claim that our 750 overseas military bases are for defense.

In fact when it became necessary to actually defend the US territory the government established a new department to take on the task, "Homeland Security".

The role of the existing military structure is entirely external and works on offense. Along with the misdirection by incorporating social service funds into the federal budget was the Orwellian step of renaming the War Department the Defense Department.

No one is invading Germany and France and their military is a tiny fraction of the size of the US (even on a per capita basis). They also have no problem getting adequate supplies of needed raw materials from elsewhere - they just pay for them.

Sorry, our runaway militarism has gone way beyond what is needed for defense. Sugar coating or euphemisms just obscure what has been going on. Furthermore this has been an unbroken trend since WWII. The variations in spending from one administration to another have not been meaningful.

If you look at the CBO budget figures you will be hard pressed to figure out which party was in power:

http://cbo.gov/budget/historical.pdf

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by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Fri Apr 13th, 2007 at 01:46:57 PM EST
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I agree that the US military budget is currently out of control and should be reduced.  I would point out that until recent years many of our overseas military bases were established during World War II or the cold war and were very effective in countering Soviet and communist expansion.  One can argue the fine points of this, such as whether the Soviets would have invaded Western Europe, taken over Berlin, or remained a power to be reckoned with until this day had it not been for the US and Western European stance (Europe currently has about 2 million men and women under arms if my sources are correct) during those years.  However, it was the Western World's response to these perceived threats that necessitated US overseas troop basing.  Have they stayed too long in some locations and in numbers too large? Perhaps.  Do we really need bases in all of the former Eastern Bloc countries and Soviet republics? Maybe not. Have all the threats disappeared.  Definitely not. Is the best defense a stay at home military? Some will undoubtedly argue yes.  My personal opinion is that it is not, but in adopting this position I do not advocate wholesale establishment of US bases in every country that will accept them, nor do I endorse non-defensive military actions such as Iraq.

I do not question your comments about the ever increasing size of the military budget following WW II/Korea, but remember this was also the era of the Cold War and the arms race.  While the arms race can be seen as wasteful (I see it that way), the US saw itself forced into the race by the Soviet Union (SU).  Both nations spent large portions of their budgets on arms and other Cold War actions (the Soviets a much larger percentage). The greater peacetime increases have appeared since the Reagan era and dissolution of the SU and I, like yourself, find them difficult to justify .

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Fri Apr 13th, 2007 at 10:39:22 PM EST
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...new defense gadgets are not cheap.

You've got your pork right there. How many of these defence gadgets are necessary? How many work as advertised? How many include realistic oversight to check for value and ROI?

US military spending is largely a corporate welfare scam. It's not designed to defend anything or anyone. A lot of new technology simply doesn't work reliably, and when it does work it has minimal tactical or strategic impact.

The US lost in Vietnam, and it's losing in Afghanistan and Iraq. Hostile powers could easily take out the most of the US information and power infrastructure in minutes.

A clever hostile power could hide the origin of the attack so there would be no one obvious to retaliate against.

What are those trillions buying in the way of stability or safety?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Apr 14th, 2007 at 12:30:28 PM EST
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