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That could be where he learned to use "français de souche" without  batting an eye. He might have studied Lafontaine in school but there's no excuse for giving in to such shoddy thinking -- the idea of opposing "français de souche" to "immigrants" is one that has no political, moral, historical, or (if you insist on thinking this way) genetic basis in reality. Its merely who shares fantasy of "true France" put forth by Barrès and taken by LePen

by desmoulins (gsb6@lycos.com) on Sun Apr 15th, 2007 at 05:30:13 PM EST
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Arguably the term 'francais de souche' is so loaded it shouldn't be used, but nobody could believe that the opposition has no 'basis in reality'. Communities are what they and/or others believe them to be. As long as substantial segments of French society see things this way, those communities will be reality. And as your reference to Barres shows, it is a longstanding reality.

I have no idea how to describe Rieff's politics - they don't fit into any category around in the US today. In foreign policy a mix of paleo-con and minimalist realism with a a few leftover traces of his old liberalism? I've seen a lot less of his views on domestic policy, but I get a feeling of a profound cynicism and pessimism above everything else.

by MarekNYC on Sun Apr 15th, 2007 at 06:46:24 PM EST
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Communities can only exist if their supposed members believe they are part of the generally described community. As an example, recent black immigrants in the US seem to have more economic success than those that have been there for a long time (see Obama...), possibly because they do not feel as much part of the historical black communities.

In France, the strong community linked to that of the projects, mostly geographical rather than racial. See Kassovitz' La Haine for an example : the three out-of-the-projects heroes are a black, an arab, and a jew.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun Apr 15th, 2007 at 07:10:50 PM EST
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They can also exist if others think of them that way. Plus I think you are wrong to believe that the ethno-racial sense of community doesn't exist in France. Which isn't to say that the various other identities - geographic, class, and plain old French aren't there. Multiple identities can exist, in fact are the norm.

PS - Citing a political work of fiction isn't necessarily the best evidence since it reflects the vision and agenda of the creator, however, note that in the film the three characters in addition to being poor project dwellers, are all ethnic/racial minority children of at best semi-assimilated immigrant parents.

by MarekNYC on Mon Apr 16th, 2007 at 04:47:17 PM EST
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There are some ethno-racial communities in France. Armenians, Corsicans, Turks, Correzians :). What I'm saying is that they are not associated most strongly with what is happening in the suburbs. It's more of an identity created by common destiny - not class as there is little class consciousness and is clearly related to youth (a few of those rioting youth will end up in real criminal careers, most will settle down and never really revolt again) and lack of hopes (the schools in the projects don't offer much hopes of social progression). They do not want to change society as much as being allowed to join in.

Thus insisting on "immigrants" helps the xenophobic talking points of Sarko and Le Pen, and is not really grounded in reality. In fact, during the riots, the projects in the north also rioted - but there the poor people weren't from immigrant parents.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Apr 16th, 2007 at 07:13:39 PM EST
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Rieff's (personal) politics have nothing to do with the fact that he is swimming here with the tide of Eng-lang media portrayal of France as a racist, chaotic country.

Since he recounts meetings with people, one assumes he speaks French. Any number of Paris correspondents of major outlets can do that, yet examples of poor understanding of France and repetition of conventional wisdom abound in their work. Rare are the journalists whose individual qualities and knowledge of their subject show through. Most just churn out yet another footnote in one of the chapters of the prevailing narrative. I don't see what Rieff is doing in this article, other than that.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Apr 16th, 2007 at 01:13:57 AM EST
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The argument most often used by the right wing to say that it does not matter that the media is owned by rightwing oligarchs or big corporations often linked to power (by being major government contractors) is that "most journalists are lefties", thus creating a balance.

The fact is that most journalists try to strip out their supposed personal leanings (often to the point of exageration), whereas owners very blatantly push their agendas without feeling the need to create any balance. The result are cowed or willing journalists leaning right.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Apr 16th, 2007 at 10:03:56 AM EST
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I think that they might matter - i.e. that what you are seeing here is not exactly the standard narrative but rather the same sort of thing a cynical observer could write of the old Republican 'southern strategy' - a right wing candidate, complete with his own neocons, playing on racism, fear of crime on one side, and alienated, angry, and impoverished minorities in the projects. Or at least that's what I see when, knowing Rieff's politics, I look at the article closely. Most readers here seem to have assumed the standard American neolib viewpoint and given that assumption understandably saw the standard US narrative of contemporary France.
by MarekNYC on Mon Apr 16th, 2007 at 04:38:53 PM EST
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