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That's not encouraging at all. I hope that that poll is inaccurate for some reason, since an eight point lead would be hard to make up in two weeks.

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns
by Alexander on Sun Apr 22nd, 2007 at 04:21:25 PM EST
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It's pretty much in line with what Ipsos (the pollster) had before the election.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2007 at 04:45:19 PM EST
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Indeed it's not. My take on it is:

Le Pen is out, but he has successfully moved the Overton window to the Right, and given Sarkozy a chance to unite centrists and extremists. Sarkozy can capture some of the Pen-ites by throwing them just enough red meat on immigration not to alarm the centrists, who will be happy to delude themselves that he's a not really a thug - especially given his strong media support. So he has a chance to unite the Right behind him. (Even if it's for spurious reasons - but then isn't it always?)

Royal's position is very weak. She's still the underdog and although she's done well, it's not well enough to put her over the top. The Left is always more fractious and disunited than the Right, and there will be far-Left elements who see her as indistinguishable from Sarkozy. Meanwhile, with her talk of change, she looks like an extremist to many of the centrists. She may get some of the Pen-ites, but I can't see her getting enough of them to win.

It's a very bad position for her to be in, because she doesn't have a strong and united base to rely on, and there's very little she can do in two weeks to build one. Sarko's foundations seem more solid at this point. It's his election to lose, rather than her's to win.

It's also a depressing replay of Gore vs Bush, where Bush won by being the good 'ole boy. Sarkozy and Bush are disturbingly similar.

If it were down to me, I would be speechifying and rallying like crazy to get out the left-wing vote on an anyone-but-Sarko basis.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2007 at 04:50:15 PM EST
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I hadn't really been following this race until a few days ago. The current New Yorker has an article profiling the top three candidates (with all the obligatory talk about France being in "crisis", of course). It notes that Royal doesn't have the support of her own party, having gotten the nomination by passing by several "elephants" who have long wanted it.

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns
by Alexander on Sun Apr 22nd, 2007 at 05:02:34 PM EST
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Bush lost the popular vote to Gore by a strong margin. Since France is so backward that it does not have the modern Electoral college system, it makes life more difficult for sarko.

Sarko has to disguise his nature - also I think he has a problem for not being ethnically french considering his constitutuency.

by citizen k (sansracine yahoo.fr) on Sun Apr 22nd, 2007 at 05:07:06 PM EST
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Bush lost that election. It's admitted by everyone except right-wing nuts that if the Florida recount had been continued in all districts, and not just in those which Gore's people wanted to have a recount, Gore would have won. What Bush won was his case in the U.S. Supreme Court to stop the recount, with a decision that was clearly made on political and not legal grounds.

It really bothers me that the Western press still routinely writes about Bush's "winning" the 2000 election. That's just an instance of the special treatment that the U.S. routinely gets in the Western media. The U.S. is an "advanced" country, so it is a priori impossible for a candidate to be placed in the White House through the theft of an election.

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns

by Alexander on Sun Apr 22nd, 2007 at 05:16:44 PM EST
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An honest description of 2000 is that we had a judicial Coupe-de-Etat and have been ruled by a criminal junta since then.  Of course such honesties dare not be uttered in polite company or on corporate broadcast "news".
by Geonomist on Sun Apr 22nd, 2007 at 09:29:42 PM EST
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I'd say that at this stage a poll as such is completely worthless.  Its just the beginning of the media's two-week campaign to portray Sarkozy's victory as inevitable.  Do not feed the trolls!

That said, anyone care to post on historical finishes in first round of french presidential elections and how they relate to the eventual winner?

by paving on Sun Apr 22nd, 2007 at 05:27:39 PM EST
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Well, this is what happened in the 1981 presidential election. In the first round, the incumbent Valéry Giscard d'Estaing got 28.33%, and François Mitterrand got 25.86%. In the second round, Mitterand got 51.76%, and d'Estaing got 48.24%.

According to the Wikipedia article, in that election, incumbency was a disadvantage, so I don't know whether one can draw any inferences from that election to this one.

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns

by Alexander on Sun Apr 22nd, 2007 at 05:58:40 PM EST
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In the 1995 election, the socialist candidate Lionel Jospin got 23.30% and Chirac got 20.84% in the first round, but Chirac won the second round, 52.64% against 47.36%. In this case, the incumbent was Mitterand, which is analogous to this election.

So that's two cases in which the candidate who comes in second in the first round wins the second round.

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns

by Alexander on Sun Apr 22nd, 2007 at 06:07:02 PM EST
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