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2012/Maya/etc was invented by Jose Arguelles, following a tried and tested formula:

Pick an exotic ancient culture, preferably one with pyramids

Hint at either an apocalypse, an ascension, or both.

Arguelles got extra points because he also incorporated DNA and the I Ching into his ramblings.

(Nice work if you can get it.)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Apr 25th, 2007 at 07:15:35 AM EST
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I agree. I incorporated into the Bonk Busines Inc. comic mythology for this reason.

But, on the other hand, I find all fiction fascinating. Especially when it oscillates around peoples' ill-informed perceptions - which is basically what life is about ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Apr 25th, 2007 at 09:17:42 AM EST
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Bonk Business!

Ah!  I needed that.

Ill-informed perceptions.  Ouch!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Apr 25th, 2007 at 11:55:48 AM EST
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Where did you find it? We took everything off the web in '93! It was the first HTML website in Finland for Tele (then the state telecoms company)

We still have a site for our museum in Uusikapunki http://www.bonkcentre.fi/p2_eng.htm - so I guess you found it there ;-)


You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Apr 25th, 2007 at 12:11:02 PM EST
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I googled bonk business, clicked images, and there it was.

You are part of that?  KEWL!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Apr 25th, 2007 at 12:48:49 PM EST
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I co-founded it, with the painter of the picture above. The project took nearly 7 years of my life more-or-less full time, and we still have 15000 visitors a year to the museum ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Apr 25th, 2007 at 01:26:15 PM EST
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Great diary BTW. I am only sad that the TV series is taking so much of my TIME that it is hard to be here. But I try to check in every day - if only to read.

Tomorrow we have the first preview for journalists. You don't have a McCain critic-proof vest about your person, perchance?

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Apr 25th, 2007 at 01:29:43 PM EST
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Do you have to be there?  Man of Mystery...never turns up.

Or wear a ridiculous hat and keep a straight face...

Surely they wouldn't criticise it while you're there though?  That's what their articles will be about.

So...avoid buying newspapers while the moon swims between the dolphin and the newt.

(rg astrology services.)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Apr 25th, 2007 at 01:32:27 PM EST
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I had considered that option, but I got the news today at 13.30 that one of our stars had a heart problem and was in fairly intensive care. I may be partly responsible, because I decided to continue with an outdoor shoot on Monday evening in +2 degress and cold drizzle. So I shall have to turn up tomorrow to handle that.

It was not an easy decision. It was the last night of the funfair where I had got permission to shoot, before they go up north on tour and become inaccessible to our budget.

Our actor was the leading figure in This rock band of the Seventies. The name of the band means 'Mad John'. You can understand why I would be attracted to them ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Apr 25th, 2007 at 01:52:51 PM EST
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It's a TV series, have I got that right?  When's it going out?  And when are the (hopefully subtitled) youtube clips going to appear?

(Boo hoo!  No flash chez rg.  No youtube.  No videos.  The most moving my computer gets is a .gif animation.)

(Especially annoying when now is the time I could watch great videos of the various cycles of earth, moon, sun, stars...)

(Luckily I have sun-venus-moon doing their dance outside my window at the moment, though it's more like the end of a friendship...the moon arriving ever later...Venus going ever earlier...until next time round...which will be over a year, I think--my astonomical calculating device--YE NOGGIN--need oiling.)

(Sip...ah.)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Apr 25th, 2007 at 03:45:00 PM EST
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I think you are as sceptical as I am: but unlike others, you are prepared to juggle with decent alternative explanations until such time that they are proved truly fallacious - though they would still exist as a product of some sub-group of humans' imagination. Thus just as real, IMO, as anything else.

Unless one is prepared to learn to jump effortlessly between so-called 'reality' and so-called 'fiction', I think the chances of finding love and happiness in this world are rather slim. ;-)

We've both found that, don't you agree? Not together, of course. I couldn't co-habit with someone who decorated all the time ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Apr 25th, 2007 at 12:24:43 PM EST
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I may be wandering into...well...

Is the following simple fiction?

There have been various methods proposed to allow us to convert from a Long Count date to a Western calendar date. These methods, or correlations, are generally based on dates from the Spanish conquest, where both Long Count and Western dates are known with some accuracy.

The commonly-established way of expressing the correlation between the Maya calendar and the Gregorian or Julian calendars is to provide number of days from the start of the Julian Period (Monday, January 1, 4713 BCE) to the start of creation on 0.0.0.0.0 (4 Ajaw, 8 Kumk'u).

The most commonly accepted correlation is the "Goodman, Martinez, Thompson" correlation (GMT correlation). The GMT correlation establishes that the 0.0.0.0.0 creation date occurred on 3114 BCE September 6 (Julian) or 3114 BCE August 11 (Gregorian), Julian day number (JDN) 584283, the number of days since the start of the Julian Period. This correlation fits the astronomical, ethnographic, carbon dating, and historical sources. However, there have been other correlations that have been proposed at various times, most of which are merely of historical interest, except that by Floyd Lounsbury, two days after the GMT correlation, which is in use by some Maya scholars.

Today, 14:54, Wednesday April 25, 2007 (UTC), in the Long Count is 12.19.14.4.13.

(My emphasis)

As they counted using astronomical events and were interested in cycles, it's not surprising that one of their cycles will end at an astronomical event.

Maybe I'm just getting some sparks in my brain, but ancient cultures with pyramids and other astronomical features have an interest because, among other things, they show the ancient culture's astronomy and, by inference, tell us something of how the culture viewed its movement through time and space (D'où venons-nous ? Que sommes-nous ? Où allons-nous ?.)

I'm sure some over-doped people have invented theories from this...who among us has never been over-doped and invented a crazy theory?

Oh...cough cough.

And maybe some people write their theories in books and sell a lot and make money.

But I don't see the "crazy theory" types as subtracting from analysable historical artifacts (eg. pyramids, both egyptian and mesoamerican, but not just pyramids...have a looksee at this...)

Which, when polished up might have looked like this.

...they think.

The Antikythera Mechanism  

I see the crazy theories as...well...crazy theories.  More entertaining than the ones told in religious buildings and maybe with a few more shafts of something real sneaking through...

...may just be sparks in my head...

(...and may I just add that when I think of "gullible people" I don't think of hippies being conned by ancient stories, I, more depressingly, think of people turning up to these meetings...

Eight million and counting!  Quick!  I need...something funky!



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Apr 25th, 2007 at 11:46:33 AM EST
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by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Apr 25th, 2007 at 12:42:08 PM EST
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