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When walking across Spain last year I was amazed at how little discussion there was on the Spanish civil war. There were still signs of the violence, but everyone seemed to pretend that nothing had happened. Fascism still is supported. While no one seemed ot be talking about the civil war, books on the Spanish civil war were selling.

Unfortunately we did not make it to Guernica.

I heard far more about the Spanish civil war in the People's (?) museum in Manchester than I had during the entire 2 1/2 months I was in Spain.

Here are a couple of photos from Spain.

The main street in the village of Samos.

A plaque on a church.

We are for Justice and Mercy, and Truth and Peace, and true Freedom. Edward Burroughs 1659

by edwin on Thu Apr 26th, 2007 at 05:07:38 PM EST
Fascism is still supported? You have no idea.

But it is not true that nobody talks about it. Just take a tour of escolar.net.

One of the reasons we [the Spanish ETers] don't write more about the political situation in Spain is, I think, disbelief and bewilderment as to how we're going to explain what's going on to foreigners.  

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 26th, 2007 at 05:16:13 PM EST
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Try me!

But tie it to ze nature an ze istorie of ze peoples.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Apr 26th, 2007 at 07:23:24 PM EST
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Try you? For what crimes? I think a monsey trial and summary execution would be apropos here.

Now seriously, you believe in "the Nature of Peoples"?

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 03:20:30 AM EST
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I believe in "the ways" of some peoples--being different to "the ways" of other people--"foreigners".

So, thanks for reading my message and suggesting I should be killed!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 03:37:08 AM EST
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Hey, we're talking about the ways of the Spanish people according to Franco.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 04:26:48 AM EST
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I was talking about disbelief and bewilderment as to how we're going to explain what's going on to foreigners.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 05:08:17 AM EST
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Most observers are in disbelief of the Spanish Right Wing, and I amo not sure I can explain it to myself let alone to others.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 05:30:16 AM EST
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I do have a vision...of a ploughed field, maybe an olive tree or six, and...the mindset of "una fascista".

But my mind is full of strange fantasies that only touch realities tangentially...

...I can imagine a line going back to the spanish empire: who won, who lost, who got kicked over...and before that to the creation of espana out of regions and that must tie into christians vs. moors, and then there'd be a north/south split and issues relating to southern spain's relationships with north africa...

...so: the catholic church; regional issues; implicit or explicit ideas of superiority and inferiority;

....maybe that's all a fantasy.  Probably!

...and then there are those who have a "conservative" mindset.  But somehow fascists don't seem conservative to me.  Hitler's party was socialist.  They destroy that...that (eyes bulging!)...

....cough cough!  Here's a question (you don't need to answer it, but at least I end up with a question):

What do the Spanish Right Wing want?  And, more specifically, what do they want apart from lower taxes, less regulation, and all the other capitalist-business "right wing" guff?  What makes you tend to disbelief?  The lack of...rationality?  Or the clear...racism?  Or the clear....what?

Well, that's more than one question!

(And ze bit about ze nature and ze istories was just me trying to say "Please give me some fruity context!")

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 07:08:35 AM EST
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Have you read my Spanish History primers?
What do the Spanish Right Wing want?  And, more specifically, what do they want apart from lower taxes, less regulation, and all the other capitalist-business "right wing" guff?  What makes you tend to disbelief?  The lack of...rationality?  Or the clear...racism?  Or the clear....what?
You are confusing the economic neoliberals with the neo-Francoist right and putting an Anglo-Saxon "right" template on them. Of course there is a lot of cross-pollination and the neo-Francoists have ties to old money which they have leveraged into new money. But I think at heart the Spanish Right just want to run Spain like their ranch [cortijo], because that's what they think Spain is, and it's about time those uppity Socialists stopped squatting.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 07:20:37 AM EST
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Okay, that was a bad joke on "try me". Sorry.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Apr 27th, 2007 at 05:30:45 AM EST
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