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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 12:28:58 AM EST
EU and US building trade links but split on climate - EUobserver.com
EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - The EU and US signed a new deal on a trans-Atlantic economic partnership at their summit in Washington on Monday (30 April) but remained unable to agree steps for tackling climate change, despite an increase in positive rhetoric on the issue.

The economic deal is aimed at increasing trade and investment by harmonising business standards between the two blocs - with trade in goods and services across the Atlantic accounting for more than $2 billion every day.

As part of the agreement, a transatlantic economic council is to be set up - to be chaired by EU industry commissioner Guenter Verheugen and US National Economic Council director Al Hubbard - to overcome regulatory barriers in 40 areas, including intellectual property and financial services.

"It is recognition that the closer that the United States and the EU become, the better off our people become," US president George W. Bush said, referring to the deal. German chancellor Angela Merkel, currently chairing the EU, called it a "significant step forward."
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 12:32:08 AM EST
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German chancellor Angela Merkel, currently chairing the EU, called it a "significant step forward."

A significant step forward...into what?

Now that the US dollar and the US employee is effectively the low priced option, who does this help? How does this help me, the average little guy, in the EU?

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 02:37:20 AM EST
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How does this help me, the average little guy, in the EU?

That is none of Angela Merkel's concern.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 04:30:54 AM EST
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A significant step forward...into what?

Ya know, I don't think I've ever read of a high-level meeting where a head of state said something like, "Fuck me, what was a complete waste of time," or "We could have wound it up an hour earlier, if s/he could only have stopped talking," or any of the other things normal people say after meetings. They always feel obligated to say something positive/meaningless, I guess to save face.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:11:59 AM EST
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As part of the agreement, a transatlantic economic council is to be set up - to be chaired by EU industry commissioner Guenter Verheugen and US National Economic Council director Al Hubbard - to overcome regulatory barriers in 40 areas, including intellectual property and financial services.
See Major Intellectual Property Rulings by SCOTUS by Laurent GUERBY on May 1st, 2007
Now, why is this relevant to plans to create a single European patent court? Perhaps it's partly because the patent industry is firmly in control of patent policy in Europe, as it was in the US before these rare SCOTUS decisions.

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Think of it for a second... a system with all the flaws of the US system, and none of the correcting mechanisms. A lot of lawyers are going to make a killing in Europe's high-tech sector. High-five, it's Lawyers Gone Wild vol.16!!

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We of course in Europe inherited this disease, read the FFII president quote above.




Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 05:12:24 AM EST
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They're really incredible.

Talking about "regulatory barriers" and wanting more intellectual property.

Hopefully this crazy stuff wasn't worsened by the idiotic EU constitution, thanks to the "no" vote in FR and NL (unsurprisingly the two european nations where digital freedom led to a real national debate during EU patent directive campaign).

Now, will they understand and stop or do we have to take down the EU to get rid of those moronic IP laws?

by Laurent GUERBY on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 07:03:43 AM EST
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Turkish court blocks Islamist's bid for presidency - Independent Online Edition > Europe

Turkey's top court yesterday intervened in the country's biggest political crisis for years, striking down the result of a vote among MPs for the key post of president.

The decision increases the likelihood of fresh parliamentary elections and may help to avoid a confrontation between Turkey's Islamist government and the military, which sees itself as the guardian of the secular Turkish state.

Amid mounting tension that saw hundreds of May Day protesters detained by police, the Constitutional Court in Ankara ruled in favour yesterday of an opposition request to block the election by MPs of the Foreign Minister, Abdullah Gul, who represents the ruling Islamist AK Party.

In a bid to resolve the stand-off, the Turkish Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said that general elections could be held as early as 24 June. Mr Erdogan said: "The earliest possible date for elections is June 24 or July 1." He also called for a constitutional amendment to allow popular vote to elect the president. Parliament currently elects the president.

The court decided that not enough MPs were present when the first round was held last week. "What we have cancelled is the first round of voting," Hasim Kilic, deputy head of the court, said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 12:33:00 AM EST
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EU Pledges Help in Estonia-Russia Row | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 01.05.2007
The European Union has promised to help end a virtual siege of the Estonian embassy in Moscow sparked by the removal of a Soviet-era war memorial in Tallinn, Estonia's Foreign Minister Urmas Paet said Tuesday.

Foreign Minister Paet said he had spoken to his German counterpart Frank-Walter Steinmeier who "promised speedy assistance from the European Union to normalize the situation around the Estonian embassy in Moscow."

Germany currently holds the rotating presidency of the EU.

Estonia's President Toomas Hendrik Ilves has described the Moscow embassy protest as "psycho-terror."

"Nearly two dozen citizens of Estonia are in the embassy building, as if taken hostage. Other citizens of Estonia are blocked from entering the embassy," he said.

About 100 youths from pro-Kremlin organisations Young Guard and Ours have ringed the Estonian embassy since Friday, chanting anti-Estonian government slogans and pointing the barrel of a green inflatable tank at it.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 12:33:53 AM EST
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EU Expands Bureaucracy to Explain Bureaucracy | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 30.04.2007
The European Union law book can be so complicated that the EU wants to spend millions of euros explaining it. This is too much for some Germans, who have crossed swords with Brussels over its ever-expanding bureaucracy.

Germany has earned itself a reputation for having a particularly rigid bureaucracy. A recent survey commissioned by the German Embassy in Washington, DC, found that although Americans share a largely positive view of Germans, widespread stereotypes persist of the Germans as a "meticulous" and "rule-abiding" people.

 

But in the case of the European Union, the rules are sometimes too complicated to comprehend, let alone abide by.

 

The EU Commissioner for Regional Policy, Poland's Danuta Hübner, appears to have recognized this. But like the EU rulebook, her solution is sure to baffle even the most enlightened observer. Hübner wants to introduce a new multi-million-euro program, with the sole purpose of elucidating three other multi-million-euro programs.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 12:34:37 AM EST
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*Raises eyebrows *

Fran:

But like the EU rulebook, her solution is sure to baffle even the most enlightened observer. Hübner wants to introduce a new multi-million-euro program, with the sole purpose of elucidating three other multi-million-euro programs.

Is this type of denigrating tone going to get worse as this piece continues?? Could someone please spell out to me, again, how much the total EU budget is in GDP numbers?

To answer my frist question... Yes. It does get worse.

EU Expands Bureaucracy to Explain Bureaucracy | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 30.04.2007

in order to reveal unto local administrations some of the deeper mysteries of European law.

snip snip

...what is largely viewed as the EU's monstrous and mushrooming bureaucracy.

Then again, this is nothing compared with what goes on in Malta.

by Nomad on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 02:24:34 AM EST
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Absolutely. But Malta (whisper) is part of the EU...

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 02:54:24 AM EST
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EU law is tiny (and readable) when compared against European Patents.
by Laurent GUERBY on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 02:30:42 AM EST
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New French Leadership Promises Better Trans-Atlantic Ties | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 30.04.2007
Differences between presidential candidates Nicolas Sarkozy and Segolene Royal are strategic rather than substantive in foreign affairs. Neither is beholden to the anti-American Gaullist or Socialist legacies.

In the last decades, the French have made a political sport of bashing various American presidents. Peanut farmer Jimmy Carter was called incompetent and Ronald Reagan was considered a second-rate Hollywood actor.

 

But after the invasion of Iraq in 2003, George W. Bush, became the most despised US president ever, the embodiment of everything the French hate about America--its religious fundamentalism, permissive gun laws, and above all, its unilateralism in the conduct of foreign policy.

Although Germany also took a hard line view in its opposition to the war in Iraq, former chancellor Gerhard Schroeder was simply dismissed in Washington as an opportunist playing to an electorate whose experience with war in the 20th century had made them viscerally opposed to war in principle.

But the Americans retaliated against the French only. They dumped imported Chardonnay in the Great Lakes, boycotted Camembert cheese and french fries were renamed "freedom fries" on congressional menus in cafeterias on Capitol Hill. Ditto with french toast.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 12:35:11 AM EST
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Hoon admits fatal errors in planning for postwar Iraq | Special Reports | Guardian Unlimited Politics
A catalogue of errors over planning for Iraq after the invasion, and an inability to influence key figures in the US administration, led to anarchy in Iraq from which the country has not recovered, the British defence secretary during the invasion admits today.

In an exclusive interview with the Guardian, Geoff Hoon reveals that Britain disagreed with the US administration over two key decisions in May 2003, two months after the invasion - to disband Iraq's army and "de-Ba'athify" its civil service. Mr Hoon also said he and other senior ministers completely underestimated the role and influence of the vice-president, Dick Cheney.

Article continues "Sometimes ... Tony had made his point with the president, and I'd made my point with Don [Rumsfeld] and Jack [Straw] had made his point with Colin [Powell] and the decision actually came out of a completely different place. And you think: what did we miss? I think we missed Cheney."

Giving the most frank assessment of the postwar planning, Mr Hoon, admits that "we didn't plan for the right sort of aftermath".

"Maybe we were too optimistic about the idea of the streets being lined with cheering people. Although I have reconciled it in my own mind, we perhaps didn't do enough to see it through the Sunni perspective. Perhaps we should have done more to understand their position."

He said history would have to decide whether the coalition should have anticipated the Sunni-Shia violence. "Given what we know now, I suppose the answer is that we should, but we did not know that at the time."

Of the summary dismissal of Iraq's 350,000-strong army and police forces, Mr Hoon said the Americans were uncompomising: "We certainly argued against [the US]. I recall having discussions with Donald Rumsfeld, but I recognised that it was one of those judgment calls. I would have called it the other way. His argument was that the Iraqi army was so heavily politicised that we couldn't be sure that we would not retain within it large elements of Saddam's people."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 12:42:38 AM EST
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Perhaps there was something in my Kellogg's cornflakes this morning, but wraah I'm really feeling my blood pressure accelerating.

You didn't plan for the aftermath. Gosh. I guess it means Tony Blair is preparing to leave his no. 10 residency. Bring out dirty linen before someone else does!

by Nomad on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 02:32:50 AM EST
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I guess it means Tony Blair is preparing to leave his no. 10 residency. Bring out dirty linen before someone else does!

Good call, Nomad.  

Tony Blair: "Right, you lot.  Mea culpa time.  Gordon's coming in and he needs to be able to say, 'I'm sorry, but I wasn't party to the details.  My esteemed colleagues have expressed their views.'"

Seems to me, though, that this doesn't fit the "Tony wants to ruin it for Gordon" line.

Still, your analysis seems right.  Get it done now, lines in the sand, all that.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 08:07:23 AM EST
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by das monde on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 09:07:19 AM EST
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Poor Geoffie. Kool Aid-drinker's remorse is a terrible thing.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 03:22:01 AM EST
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Well, eehm, Geoff, it was bloody fucking obvious that there was no post-war strategy in the US, wasn't it? It was bloody fucking obvious that there would be ethnic strife, wasn't it? As I could figure out this much by September 2002 (me, then a 21-year old armchair general), how bloody fucking difficult was it?
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 04:59:22 AM EST
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"We didn't plan for the right sort of aftermath."

Even if worse things happen in Malta - this is pure "who would have expected?" etc.

I particularly enjoyed the tone of 'Oops - one or two minor mistakes there. Oh well - how about that, huh?' when describing a clusterfuck of historic proportions that will probably still be discussed a hundred years from now.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 07:57:18 AM EST
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At least he had the sense to resign immediately.  I mean--how many people died because "they didn't realise"?!  Good to know Geoff is leading by example.

I mean he has resigned all govt. posts, his position as MP, hasn't he?

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 08:04:25 AM EST
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True. But it's worse. The problem with this 'who'd a thunk' B.S. is that a lot of people saw it coming pretty fucking clearly. You can complain that hindsight is always 20-20 etc. etc. etc. But there is a record out there of people who had 20-20 foresight. And it's not something that required more than a cool head and a little common sense.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 08:08:45 AM EST
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I hope you're not suggesting anyone is lying here, Nanne.

Because - you know - that would just be completely untrue.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 08:33:11 AM EST
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Hm, I knew I knew you from somewhere... Another armchair general figuring out some things even earlier on the same forum: beware proxy forces, nation-building and Iraq falling apart; and me debating poor stillsunny two months before the war.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 11:03:16 AM EST
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Daneel! :-) Yeah, those were the days <grin>.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 02:23:08 PM EST
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Germany to extend labour restrictions on new Europe - EUobserver.com
The Netherlands has moved to open up its labour markets to workers from "new" EU member states. But the German government has agreed to extend restrictions against them until 2011, despite opposition from the current economy minister.

Experts from Germany's right-left ruling coalition last week backed plans to use the full EU temporary period for labour barriers and delay lifting them for the two final years until 2011, according to German weekly Der Spiegel.

Berlin as well as most other west European capitals opted to keep their labour markets closed for jobseekers from the eight countries in central and Eastern Europe that joined the EU in 2004.

Several countries extended the restrictions in 2006 for another three years and can decide whether to delay them again until 2011, with Austria likely to follow Germany in doing so.

The agreement between the Christian democrats and Socialists in the German government goes against the arguments of the economy minister Michael Glos, who favoured dropping the barriers earlier, according to Der Spiegel.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 12:48:21 AM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Clock ticks for Malta's spring hunt
Malta's spring bird hunt is in full swing for what could be the last time before the country is taken to court accused of violating the EU Birds Directive.

A bee eater with fatal injuries, discovered by school children
The European Commission began infringement proceedings against the country last year, for allowing the hunting of two migratory birds - the quail and the turtle dove - as they travel to their breeding grounds.

Malta is the only country in the EU that allows bird hunting in spring.

And according to the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds, some hunters fire at any bird that flies past, not just the two species the government permits.

"They are blasting at everything. While waiting for quail and turtle dove they will use swallows and house martins for target practice," says the RSPB's Grahame Madge.

"They will literally shoot anything that casts a shadow over Malta, they will blast it out of the sky."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 12:52:51 AM EST
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And this is nothing compared with what goes on in Malta.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 02:12:37 AM EST
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link for the puzzled.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 02:23:15 AM EST
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Poles demand missile shield against Russia | Russia | Guardian Unlimited
Poland and the Czech Republic are raising the ante in negotiations with the Americans, demanding missiles to deploy against Russia and security and legal guarantees in return for hosting elements of the US missile shield.

The missile defence programme is splitting Europe and igniting a new cold war-style clash with the Kremlin, and the demands from the central Europeans plunge the Pentagon project into greater uncertainty.

The negotiations, about extending the missile defence project from California and Alaska to Europe, are expected to be wound up before the end of the year. The Poles are insisting on US security guarantees and supplies of Patriot missiles to protect themselves against a perceived threat from Russia, while the Czechs are embroiled in discussions over how a US radar base south of Prague would be safeguarded and what's in it for the Czechs.

Article continues As Russia, in the words of a US official, delivers "bloodcurdling" threats in response to the Pentagon project in central Europe and unease spirals in Germany, there is also growing frustration in Warsaw and Prague with what is perceived as a high-handed approach by the US administration. "We want legal guarantees. I can't go into details but it is to do with how the base is protected and also about the base agreement," said a senior Czech official of the proposal for a radar base south-west of Prague. "Unfortunately the Americans could have done more to engage the Russians over the past year."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 01:04:16 AM EST
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The mask comes off.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 04:32:25 AM EST
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The Central Europeans have never hidden what their preoccupations are. They don't care that the US uses Iran as a figleaf, they just want full explicit anti-Russia US bases.

I'm not sure what US intentions are (taunt Russia? really about Iran? divide Europe?)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 05:52:56 AM EST
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But "The Poles" (I mean, the Polish government) and the Czechs (er, their Government) have been using the Iran propaganda up to this point. It will be interesting to see France and Germany agree that yes, the EU needs a missile shield against Russia.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:04:54 AM EST
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Maybe all three? Actually in this dangerous world I think Europeans will proceed with the anti-missile system. Anyway if Americans will not be interested in projection of their power abroad and spreading their values with messianic zeal these installations may be easily acquired by EU/NATO states and upgraded. Russia will develop penetrating capabilities of her arsenal. Other states like Saudi Arabia and of course Iran showed interest in acquiring nuclear technologies. And we will have new round of nuclear arm race.
by FarEasterner on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:10:23 AM EST
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What dangerous world? If we stopped acting like dangerous assholes maybe it would be less dangerous. I'm not afraid. Who are you afraid of?

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:12:16 AM EST
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You know at the last moment I hesitated to delete these words about dangerous world. But then I thought to underline irony of this situation - if one has some sort of psychological disorder he (she) will find any excuses for his(her) behaviour for example acquisition of some weapons (of course defensive). And that exactly we can see in behaviour of European politicians. They will find pretext to justify anti-missile shield. It's their job.
by FarEasterner on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:23:07 AM EST
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Just checking.

Scare quotes are "good".

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:36:56 AM EST
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I'm not sure what US intentions are (taunt Russia? really about Iran? divide Europe?)

You left out graft. I personally suspect that one of the main reasons they're deploying a weapon system that doesn't bleep work is because somebody employs a very, very good (i.e. "generous") lobbyist.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:31:19 AM EST
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I hate to steal someone else's recurring point, but there isn't a working system anyway. All that is being sold is a money pit.

The reason for selling this 'defense' system is to keep the many grafted segments of the American industry churning more cash from my pocket into theirs.

I wonder if the powers that be are smart enough as to have ulterior motives, such as 'divide Europe.' They also can't stupid enough to actually think that this is about WestAsia...um, Iran. As for taunting Russia, the US are going to have to do better than what they have done so far. Russia may not have their PR complexities worked out yet, but they are holding too many other cards.

I can just see the Russians asserting, "If you say that we can unilaterally go into Iran and preventative-bomb their installations, I think we can use the same argument and unilaterally preventative-bomb the Polish installations.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:53:30 AM EST
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They probably won't because Iran is over there and Poland is over here. Bombing Poland might possibly be considered an act of war. Bombing Iran is just some wacky third world business as usual crap from the US. (sic)

What I don't understand is - are the Russians really worried? Functionally, the missile system is a joke. Presumably the Kremlin knows this.

Presumably it also knows that a missile defence system can never work. And even if it did, ICBMs can always go the long way around.

So - why the fuss, exactly? I'd be tempted to say 'Whatever' and leave the Poles and the rest to bankrupt themselves buying useless toys.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 08:04:42 AM EST
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I don't think the Poles are paying anything. Isn't this the US wanting to install radars and missile silos at a convenient location?

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 08:08:06 AM EST
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Oh, crap.

Here's a thought - what if the ABM missiles aren't actually ABM missiles, but short range nukes?

Is there any inspection procedure agreed by treaty that would allow the Russians to know for sure?

If there isn't, we can look forward to our very own Cuban/Polish Missile Crisis on the horizon.

Does anyone know the proposed deployment date?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 08:40:33 AM EST
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Blackhawk hinted at that yesterday:
Would you also want some tacnukes with that order?

Poland missile plan to raise Russia tensions

Poland is pressing ahead with plans to request US Patriot missiles to defend itself against medium and short range ballistic threats - a move likely to infuriate its neighbour, Russia.

Warsaw wants the Patriots in return for hosting a base for the US's anti-missile system, according to Polish sources familiar with the situation.

And the reference to "unease in Germany" above has to do with this other item posted by dvx:
This aspect has been featured pretty prominently in the German-language news this morning:

RIA Novosti - World - "No hysteria" as Putin compares U.S. shield to Pershing missiles

MOSCOW, April 27 (RIA Novosti) - Russian President Vladimir Putin has compared U.S. plans to deploy its missile defenses in Europe to the deployment of Pershing cruise missiles in the 1980s, but said there will be "no hysteria" about it.
RIA is being sloppy here (the Pershing II was a medium-range ballistic missile, not a cruise missile). But the NATO decision to deploy these missiles in Germany was the spark that set off the enormous peace demonstrations of the early 80s. So of course this is bound to resonate in Germany.

A very clever rhetorical move by the former "our man in Dresden".



Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 10:33:01 AM EST
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What I don't understand is - are the Russians really worried? Functionally, the missile system is a joke. Presumably the Kremlin knows this.

  1. It's a political problem: very hard to work with Europe which was presented with a choice of Russia vs USA, and guess which side the Europe will have chosen;

  2. As mentioned some time ago at ET, in 10-15 years USA could put some better things into Poland site, and increase the number of missiles; similar things were said by Russian FM recently. Military MUST operate from the worst-case scenario, and scenario of having working ABM in 20 years isn't that appealing;

  3. Russia says that Polish radar is just a one in a series of similar radars that were put around its borders lately. This tendency started even before 9/11 and has nothing to do with terrorism. The first new radar was set up in Norway - I guess to watch drowning polar bears fart in direction of USA who didn't do more to combat global warming. Therefore, it could be justifiably considered a continuation of a menacing tendency. Radar could watch Russian space till Urals pretty much;

  4. Finally, it's just incredibly inconvenient timing. Russia survived Yeltsin's presidency, but only just. It took several years to just persuade majority of citizens that the country is here to stay; to put the economy on a working footing again, using hydrocarbons as a springboard, would take at least couple of decades. Again, as in early 20th century, Russia "needs 15-20 years of peace" (Pavel Stolypin). From the Russian point of view, USA is hellbent on denying it these clam years to rebuild itself.
by Sargon on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 12:19:31 PM EST
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Of course, Petr Stolypin. Too much work and no play... Sorry.
by Sargon on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 01:39:43 PM EST
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Might? It would be an act of war against the US (and France, and Germany and every other NATO member).  Last I checked Russia and Iran don't have a mutual defense treaty.
by MarekNYC on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 03:30:15 PM EST
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I think the mention of the Cuban Missile Crisis is not far-fetched here.

Now, if a NATO member strikes first, are we still bound to come to its aid when it gets retaliated on?

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 05:46:19 PM EST
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No. But the comment I was replying to spoke of an attack initiated by Russia.  The Cuban missile crisis had to do with nukes, not radars or bases. After it was resolved  Cuba continued to host plenty of Soviet military installations.
by MarekNYC on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 05:57:58 PM EST
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Actually, my comment was based on a misreading of the news.

The Poles and Czechs are not demanding the ABM missile shield as protection against Russia. They are demanding conventional missile protection against the risk of Russian attacks on the bases the US wants to install on their soil.

The US wants the Czech Republic and Poland to allow it to station the ABM system on bases that the US would operate on their territory. They agreed, but now they are "upping the ante".

The Poles are insisting on US security guarantees and supplies of Patriot missiles to protect themselves against a perceived threat from Russia, while the Czechs are embroiled in discussions over how a US radar base south of Prague would be safeguarded and what's in it for the Czechs.

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As Russia, in the words of a US official, delivers "bloodcurdling" threats in response to the Pentagon project in central Europe and unease spirals in Germany, there is also growing frustration in Warsaw and Prague with what is perceived as a high-handed approach by the US administration.

What amazes me about all these willing puppets of the US is that they think of themselves as partners of the US and then get upset when the US treats them "high-handedly". But then, after things sort themselves out (or not, as is often the case, to the detriment of the little guys) they do it again, and again, because the US "is a force for good" and so can't possibly be trying to abuse its allies.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 10:27:51 AM EST
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French Far-Right Leader Tells Supporters to Stay Home | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 02.05.2007
French far-right leader Jean-Marie Le Pen called on his supporters Tuesday to abstain in this weekend's presidential vote pitting right-winger Nicolas Sarkozy against socialist Segolene Royal.

"Both of them are official representatives of parties and policies that for the past 30 years have brought France to the brink of a political, economic, social, cultural and moral abyss," Le Pen told
cheering supporters in Paris.

The National Front leader, who stunned France in 2002 when he made it to the run-off presidential ballot against current President Jacques Chirac, urged his voters to "save their votes" for parliamentary elections in June.

"I call on voters who have shown their confidence in me to cast their vote neither for Madame Royal nor for Mr. Sarkozy," Le Pen said in a speech in front of the ornate Paris opera house after his party's traditional May 1 parade.



"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 03:18:58 AM EST
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U.S. Seeks Closing of Visa Loophole for Britons - New York Times

LONDON, May 1 -- Omar Khyam, the ringleader of the thwarted London bomb plot who was sentenced to life imprisonment on Monday, showed the potential for disaffected young men to be lured as terrorists, a threat that British officials said they would have to contend with for a generation.

But the 25-year-old Mr. Khyam, a Briton of Pakistani descent, also personifies a larger [sic!] and more immediate concern: as a British citizen, he could have entered the United States without a visa, like many of an estimated 800,000 other Britons of Pakistani origin.

American officials, citing the number of terror plots in Britain involving Britons with ties to Pakistan, expressed concern over the visa loophole. In recent months, the homeland security secretary, Michael Chertoff, has opened talks with the government here on how to curb the access of British citizens of Pakistani origin to the United States.



"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 03:34:33 AM EST
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Ah, the special relationship.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 04:32:55 AM EST
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The visa waiver is the same for the other EU-15.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 05:53:38 AM EST
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Didn't we (the EU 15), in the last 6 years:
  • change our passports
  • agree for our airlines to give the US government our personal data
  • agree that the new EU member states don't get visa waivers
in order to preserve the visa waiver?

WTF? I said before (in connection with the airline data) that we should just have given up the visa waiver, reciprocally. If you let the US bully you three times, they'll do it a fourth time. One of my latest comments on DKos seems very appropriate here.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:02:50 AM EST
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My suggestion was for the airlines to inform each passaenger of all the info they give to the US authorities and ask for consent each time.

I'm with you on this.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:16:36 AM EST
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Oh, I'm just going to love hearing the rationale for allowing our dear, dear partners in the US stigmatise and discriminate against hundreds of thousands of EU citizens on the basis of their origin.

Cancel the visa waiver programme both ways or exempt Americans with Irish heritage - well known for supporting terrorism in the EU - from the visa waiver system.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:00:19 AM EST
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How in fuck do you tell the difference between an Brit of Indian origin and one of Pakistani origin? Check their parents' birth certs? Would all brownish people from the UK have to bring their parents birth certs with them? Apply for a visa?

How intensely stupid can the US regime be?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:03:34 AM EST
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No, how intensely stupid can we be?

Give up the visa waiver program. If someone wants to go to the US so badly, they can aply for a visa, and they can see all the information they have to provide and go through the harassment in te comfort of their own home. It's much better than getting turned back on arrival.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:09:47 AM EST
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Oh, I agree. The waiver programme needs to go at this point: once they start choosing classes of EU citizens on the basis of their ethnic origin it becomes completely unacceptable.

You'll note from the story that the guy claims that it was the intelligence service of US-ally-of-the-month Pakistan that trained him?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:13:43 AM EST
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The waiver programme needs to go at this point: once they start choosing classes of EU citizens on the basis of their ethnic origin it becomes completely unacceptable.

Diary/Open letter? Here's some ammo:



Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:35:24 AM EST
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I've just found the small tidbt that 40% of polytechniciens (my alumni) go into the finance world these days...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:15:04 AM EST
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But are they happy about it ?

(The blog post is from a Normalien, but I guess the same may apply to polytechniciens : getting into research has become too hard in France.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:45:50 AM EST
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In case anyone is interested: Demolish, dig, design: the Olympic Delivery Authority's milestones to Summer 2008

Explains the 10 major milestones that London's Olympic Delivery Authority intends to achieve by August 2008 in order to provide the foundations for the delivery of the venues and infrastructure for the London 2012 Olympics. Looks at the five priority themes that will underpin delivery: health and safety, sustainability, design and accessibility, equality and diversity, and legacy.


Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:40:37 AM EST
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Argh! I've no idea why that link isn't working now. Sorry :(

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:43:39 AM EST
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The Attorney General has instructed a senior counsel to represent the interests of the unborn in the court case being taken by a 17-year-old girl who wishes to travel to the UK for an abortion.

James Connolly SC told the High Court this morning that he had been instructed by the Attorney General to represent the interests of the unborn.

This means the AG will have two teams of lawyers at the case; the other will represent the State.

[...]

The challenge by the girl, who is four months pregnant with a baby that cannot survive for more than three days after he or she is born, is due to begin tomorrow.

The baby is suffering from anencephaly, which means a major part of the brain and skull is missing.

Once it was born it'd be declared dead more-or-less immediately, but as long as it isn't born it can have a lawyer.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 11:29:55 AM EST
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The Attorney General has instructed a senior counsel to represent the interests of the unborn ... suffering from anencephaly, which means a major part of the brain and skull is missing


Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 11:38:14 AM EST
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Is the living citizen, who is obviously suffering from carrying this foetus, to be given less support by the State than the foetus itself, which is not yet a legally registered citizen?

This could be put down to tradition, (Irish tradition could cover it and no problem), but in fact it's the conservative revolution that is driving it. Those nutcases are turning the world upside down.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 12:19:49 PM EST
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The foetus is not viable anyway, and will never develop a proper brain. How can it have rights?

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 12:26:59 PM EST
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Come now. Right are most important for the most powerless. What could be more powerless than the brainless? I have some carrots in my fridge that would agree, I think...
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 12:59:05 PM EST
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