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U.S. Seeks Closing of Visa Loophole for Britons - New York Times

LONDON, May 1 -- Omar Khyam, the ringleader of the thwarted London bomb plot who was sentenced to life imprisonment on Monday, showed the potential for disaffected young men to be lured as terrorists, a threat that British officials said they would have to contend with for a generation.

But the 25-year-old Mr. Khyam, a Briton of Pakistani descent, also personifies a larger [sic!] and more immediate concern: as a British citizen, he could have entered the United States without a visa, like many of an estimated 800,000 other Britons of Pakistani origin.

American officials, citing the number of terror plots in Britain involving Britons with ties to Pakistan, expressed concern over the visa loophole. In recent months, the homeland security secretary, Michael Chertoff, has opened talks with the government here on how to curb the access of British citizens of Pakistani origin to the United States.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 03:34:33 AM EST
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Ah, the special relationship.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 04:32:55 AM EST
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The visa waiver is the same for the other EU-15.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 05:53:38 AM EST
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Didn't we (the EU 15), in the last 6 years:
  • change our passports
  • agree for our airlines to give the US government our personal data
  • agree that the new EU member states don't get visa waivers
in order to preserve the visa waiver?

WTF? I said before (in connection with the airline data) that we should just have given up the visa waiver, reciprocally. If you let the US bully you three times, they'll do it a fourth time. One of my latest comments on DKos seems very appropriate here.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:02:50 AM EST
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My suggestion was for the airlines to inform each passaenger of all the info they give to the US authorities and ask for consent each time.

I'm with you on this.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:16:36 AM EST
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Oh, I'm just going to love hearing the rationale for allowing our dear, dear partners in the US stigmatise and discriminate against hundreds of thousands of EU citizens on the basis of their origin.

Cancel the visa waiver programme both ways or exempt Americans with Irish heritage - well known for supporting terrorism in the EU - from the visa waiver system.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:00:19 AM EST
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How in fuck do you tell the difference between an Brit of Indian origin and one of Pakistani origin? Check their parents' birth certs? Would all brownish people from the UK have to bring their parents birth certs with them? Apply for a visa?

How intensely stupid can the US regime be?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:03:34 AM EST
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No, how intensely stupid can we be?

Give up the visa waiver program. If someone wants to go to the US so badly, they can aply for a visa, and they can see all the information they have to provide and go through the harassment in te comfort of their own home. It's much better than getting turned back on arrival.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:09:47 AM EST
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Oh, I agree. The waiver programme needs to go at this point: once they start choosing classes of EU citizens on the basis of their ethnic origin it becomes completely unacceptable.

You'll note from the story that the guy claims that it was the intelligence service of US-ally-of-the-month Pakistan that trained him?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:13:43 AM EST
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The waiver programme needs to go at this point: once they start choosing classes of EU citizens on the basis of their ethnic origin it becomes completely unacceptable.

Diary/Open letter? Here's some ammo:



Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:35:24 AM EST
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