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To my experience, Melbourne is the most sprawly, though I was in Phoenix as well. Here is a list of top sprawls in the US.

I had a Daily Kos diary with a suggestion for transportation in big cities. It should be very suitable for sprawling cities.  It could be an attractive service, with side effects of reduced congestion and CO2 emissions pretty fast. The service may not be routinely affrodable to everyone, or reduce carbon emissions to inevitable levels alone, but it can be significantly effective very fast, I believe. (I consider posting a refined version of the diary here.)

by das monde on Mon Apr 30th, 2007 at 03:03:33 AM EST
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Interesting Diary.

I went to Tripoli recently, and the Libyan development bank (awash with oil and gas money) had just financed the purchase of about 4,000 Mercedes mini-buses, and basically given them to anyone who felt that they would like to run one.

Repayment fairly optional it seemed to me.

These things were all over Tripoli like a cheap suit (and carrying passengers big-time) but for the life of me I couldn't see how they were organising routing etc. I did't spot anything on the buses indicating where they were going.

Maybe someone here knows what method there is in their madness...

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Apr 30th, 2007 at 03:41:52 AM EST
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Gah.  I lost my first attempt to reply to this comment when my browser crashed.  Let's try again...

Minibus taxis are staples of the "public" transportation systems all over Africa, from the Cape to Cairo.  They're called combis in South Africa, matatus in Kenya, tro-tros in Ghana and, um... I dunno, I guess they're just minibuses in Egypt.

They generally run set routes, which are not posted in any way.  Passengers know which minibus to get on because they know the local system.  The way they work here, a guy hangs off the side and hisses or shouts the name of the destination, and people wave down the minibus they want.  In South Africa, passengers use hand signals to tell the drivers where they want to go, and if the combi is going there, the driver stops.

The system's a little different at taxi ranks for long- and medium-haul minibuses.  They leave when they're full.  You walk around the taxi rank till you find a minibus going where you want to go, get in, and wait for more passengers.  You hope they get there soon, because you can wait for hours if you're not lucky.  You can buy more than one seat, which (a) gives you more space (really! it does) and (b) fills up the van faster.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Apr 30th, 2007 at 05:01:12 AM EST
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Hmmm...

Our commuter trains seem to STOP when they're full...

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Apr 30th, 2007 at 05:15:35 AM EST
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I was in Thailand recently. It has diverse transportation means as well. In particular, songthaews and tuk-tuks can serve as cheap or shared taxis.

For long-distance trips, private companies organize tourists into "VIP" busses (and boats, etc) with elaborate logistic system. But passenger's comfort is not a big priority. My trip from Bangkok to Samui island took 15 hours either way, including changes and waiting times. Government "VIP" busses (and higher class trains) are presumably more comfortable.

by das monde on Mon Apr 30th, 2007 at 05:23:37 AM EST
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