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On the subject of abortions...I was told today about a 20 year old girl who has just discovered she is pregnant.  The person she told said she should probably have an abortion as she is too young to have a baby...
She said she wants to have the baby.
She went home ('down country') about a week ago to tell her parents...one parent told her there was no choice in the matter...she must have an abortion...no ifs or buts, end of story...and they have made an appointment with a UK clinic/hospital for their daughter to travel to the UK next weekend to have the abortion...no pre-counselling...
The other parent said they didn't care what she does.
She will meet the parish priest before she heads to the UK.
Since she returned to Dublin from 'home' she has made an appointment to see counsellors...perhaps she will get advice that will help her make her own decision.
I feel very sorry for that girl...I don't know who she is and I have no idea what being pregnant is like...but I do know that if she goes ahead with the abortion without talking to someone who has answers to all her unanswered questions this decision will come back to haunt her.  It needs to be HER decision what happens...not her parents...or colleagues...or the local parish priest.
I felt sickened when I heard about all the 'advice' she has been given.
...and then I came up here (sorry...I'm in the attic) and read this thread.

Ireland...the land that time forgot...


We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. Oscar Wilde

by Sam on Mon Apr 30th, 2007 at 05:22:33 PM EST
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Oh...and the bit I forgot...21 years ago her parents were supposedly 'forced' to get married when her mother discovered she herself was pregnant.  They have since split up.  This is where the 'orders' are coming from...
Thou shalt not do what we did...thy life will be the same as ours...

<AAAGGGHHH!!!>

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. Oscar Wilde

by Sam on Mon Apr 30th, 2007 at 05:26:44 PM EST
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Thou shalt not do what we did...thy life will be the same as ours...

Don't get me wrong I don't think parents or anybody else should decide for her but this phrase is true. She needs to decide and take responsibilities about child for ever and not call for her parents or anybody else to help once she gat tired of being a mum. It's even more hopeless when future mum is a manor...
 I keep telling my children not to do what we did OR if they do they MUST expect to have life very similar to ours (parents). Somehow they (children generally) keep doing same things as their parents and they stupidly expect different outcome. I am not psychologist but it's a common thing that children step in to the same "footprints" like their parents even if they know how hurt they were.
And one thing is for sure (no matter how bad they may be) parents (usually) love their children and do not want them to make same mistake and suffer same way but the whole thing is hopeless...children tend to experience everything personally...
And having a child is FOR LIFE. Most of the young people do not understand this...when life comes to bit them they would rather run from responsibility. I am appalled how many children here were raised in foster homes.
Ah this children - parents story is a long story...
About abortion generally we in communist countries were free to have them in hospitals for very little money. If minor,  girl needed a consent of parents. I don't think that girl could be forced by parents to do it, on the other hand. Largely it was a contraceptive at the time cause not many woman (especially not educated) were using pills and condom was not so popular pre- HIV-AIDS.
Now when I think about it it wasn't right too. I think I am for some kind of "middle solution"...and yes sexual education FIRST and most important...
by vbo on Mon Apr 30th, 2007 at 11:55:36 PM EST
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